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Z Movies and Timelines

Post by Zephyr » Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:15 am

Here's my visual attempt at rationalizing and organizing all of the Z timelines and movies. What things are necessary for them to occur, what self contained continuities they could occur in, etc.

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The Pink Line
The main series. From the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, to the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai.
The Cyan Line
The first point of divergence. In this timeline, Garlic Jr. made his move on world domination between the 23rd TB and the Saiyan arc. This leads to Gohan's power being known to all of the heroes before the Saiyan arc even happens. This drastically alters the Saiyan arc, in which Gohan is a more capable fighter. With a more confident and better trained Gohan, Goku does not get as badly wounded against Vegeta, and is able to embark to Namek with Bulma, Gohan, and Krillin.

Not wanting to deal with Goku and Freeza at the same time, Vegeta opts for a truce with the heroes much sooner, so as to take out the bigger threat (Freeza). Piccolo is (possibly) wished back sooner, due to them being able to gather the Dragon Balls much more quickly. Freeza kills Vegeta, but is himself killed before ever getting the chance to transform, through everyone's combined efforts (with a Taiyoken + Kienzan combo possibly playing a part). The dead heroes are brought back in whatever is the most convenient combination of the two Dragon Ball sets.

Movies 2, 3, and 4 follow from this.
The Red Line
The "bad" future. Goku dies unexpectedly of a heart virus. Gero's Androids appear out of nowhere and kill all of the heroes except for Gohan. #17 and #18 run amok for quite some time. Babidi finds Buu's ball, but takes it elsewhere, due to there being hardly any life on the planet, let alone enough for Buu's revival. An alternative version of Movie 13 occurs, in which Tapion is killed before Hildegarn gets released, and Trunks receives his sword. Bulma eventually constructs a time machine, and Trunks uses it to travel back in time to give Goku a vaccine for the heart virus, and to warn the heroes of the past of the Android threat.
The Lime Line
The future where Trunks used the shutdown controller to defeat the Androids, but Cell kills him and steals his time machine.
The Purple Line
The future where Trunks has RoSaT training under his belt, and he kills the Androids and Cell by his own hand.
The Green Line
The timeline where the Coola movies, Movies 5 and 6, occur exactly as depicted. Trunks came back in time in this timeline, and warned of the Androids. The only way for Movie 5 to happen as depicted would be if Goku were to not stay in space long enough to master transforming into a Super Saiyan at will. When Coola showed up, he couldn't just transform, it had to be triggered. The way the fight went lead to Coola being blasted into the sun.

Seeing how helpless they were against a random invader who is supposed to be drastically inferior to the Androids, Piccolo and Kami agree to fuse in order to give them an extra edge. Piccolo here isn't as strong as he is in the main timeline, because he has less training with SSj Goku under his belt at the time of his fusion with Kami. This prompts bringing Dende to Earth to be the new Kami. The Big Gete Star nabs Coola, and Movie 6 happens.

I assume that in all of the other timelines (where Goku learned to become a Super Saiyan at will), Coola still showed up in some capacity, but was more promptly and more fully destroyed. Due to the difference in Goku and Coola's fight in timelines where Goku could become Super Saiyan right off the bat, Coola wouldn't be present for the Big Gete Star to assimilate, causing a butterfly effect where it never went to Namek.
The Yellow Line
The timeline where #17 and #18 are defeated by a shutdown controller being built by Bulma from the blueprints found in the ruins of Gero's lab. Movie 7 happens. Trunks returns to his time with the controller (the Lime line), and uses it to defeat the Androids there, only to be killed by Cell.
The Blue Line
What I refer to as the "Vegeta doesn't ruin everyone's plans" timeline. This one diverges because Vegeta defeats Cell instead of allowing him to become perfect. Cell survives and escapes anyway, though. Goku and Gohan leave the RoSaT early.

After a short break, Movie 8 occurs. It wouldn't occur in timelines where Cell had achieved perfection, as Paragus would have been too wary to meddle with that tier of power. After Movie 8, an altered Plan to Eradicate the [Super] Saiyans happens. Namely, Slug and Tullece can't really be present. Other than that though, it would make enough sense. It would follow Movie 8, as Goku makes reference to Broly.

Eventually, Cell manages to sneak up on #18 and absorb her, achieving perfection. As usual, he announces the Cell Games, gives the heroes 10 days to prepare (which allows Goku and Gohan to finish their training), and leads to Gohan reaching SSj2 and Goku sacrificing himself. After the major timeskip, during the training for the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai, Broly rears his ugly mug again, only to get defeated. Again.

25th Tenkaichi Budokai occurs as normal, with the heroes leaving to go and confront Babidi. Only in this timeline, Vegeta keeps his cool. They swiftly and easily wipe out Babidi and his henchmen, and effectively prevent Buu's revival. Goku's day eventually runs out and he returns to the afterlife (maybe he and Vegeta had their own little fight somewhere, maybe not). With no Buu crisis, things occur as normal after the Budokai, with #18 desiring her payment from Mr. Satan. Movie 11 occurs.
The Grey Line
The timeline where Ultimate Gohan actually defeated Buu. Goku and Vegeta stay dead. The kids know fusion. Movie 12 can occur. Also makes sense of "base"-looking Gohan one-shotting Freeza (for those who don't think base saiyans ever surpassed Freeza).
What do you guys think? How would you improve on this? Did I overlook anything that would undermine any of these?

Edit #1: Removed/explained the Red Line, and fixed the errors with the Cyan Line.
Last edited by Zephyr on Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:01 am, edited 2 times in total.

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Re: Z Movies and Timelines

Post by FlpShimizu » Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:44 am

What about the red line?
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Post by omegalucas » Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:11 pm

The red line must be Trunks' timeline... the one where Goku dies and he gets back to the main one, because it splits to the two known outcomes: Trunks shuts the androids down and gets killed by Cell or Trunks kills the androids and Cell.
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Re: Z Movies and Timelines

Post by Zephyr » Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:26 pm

Red Line isn't really much of anything by itself. It's the left over color from when I first started making the shape of the timeline.

But I suppose you could say the left Red line is the future where the Androids kill everyone, and that tiny right Red line is where Trunks comes back in time, but Cell does not.

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Post by Insertclevername » Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:02 pm

I really like this! So far this is a great read! I'm guessing you left out the Garlic Jr. arc on purpose, right? I don't know how that could even fit.
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Re: Z Movies and Timelines

Post by Zephyr » Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:36 pm

Insertclevername wrote:I really like this! So far this is a great read! I'm guessing you left out the Garlic Jr. arc on purpose, right? I don't know how that could even fit.
I did disregard it, as it would require more assumptions regarding the Saiyan and Namek arcs. I haven't seen Movies 2-4 recently enough to know exactly what would need to altered and filled to enable it all to fit perfectly.

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Re: Z Movies and Timelines

Post by Attitudefan » Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:04 pm

You are missing some of the altered timelines from the first Dragonball movies.

EDIT: never mind, it seems you are only doing the Z portion.... my bad.
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Re: Z Movies and Timelines

Post by Pantalones » Tue Mar 12, 2013 5:13 pm

Isn't Slug compared to Freeza at some point in the 4th movie? That seems to make it kind of unlikely that it was from the "nobody went to Namek" timeline that you put movies 2 and 3 in. Obviously the trip to Namek would need to be different (Freeza beaten by Piccolo before he could go to his 3rd form? or by base/Kaio-Ken Goku before he could go to his 4th form?), but I would think it had to have happened in some way if Freeza is referenced at all.

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Re: Z Movies and Timelines

Post by Zephyr » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:02 am

Pantalones wrote:Isn't Slug compared to Freeza at some point in the 4th movie? That seems to make it kind of unlikely that it was from the "nobody went to Namek" timeline that you put movies 2 and 3 in. Obviously the trip to Namek would need to be different (Freeza beaten by Piccolo before he could go to his 3rd form? or by base/Kaio-Ken Goku before he could go to his 4th form?), but I would think it had to have happened in some way if Freeza is referenced at all.
Ah, thank you for pointing that out. Haven't actually seen Movie 4, so I wasn't aware of that reference.

I've edited the descriptions and the image a bit in light of recent confusion.

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Re: Z Movies and Timelines

Post by miguelnuva1 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:08 am

This is what I run with.

Dead Zone: After DB and before the Radtiz fight.

Worlds's Strongest: Alternate reality where Goku arrives and beats Nappa and Vegeta before aPiccolo dies. Best fits right after the fight with Vegeta.

Tree of Might: Goku arrives and saves everyone here. Best fits during the namek saga before the Captain Ginyu fight.

Lord Slug: Best fits during the Ginyu saga. Assuming Goku beat Ginyu without losing his body and then beat 1st form Frieza and Vegeta after reviving Piccolo.

Cooler's revenge: Goku comes straight home after beating Frieza and does no yadrat training.

Return of Cooler: retcons the events of Cooler's revenge to the start of the 3 year training for the Androids. Best fits at the end of the Android training despite Dende being on Earth. Goku is the only one that sees Vegeta as a SSJ and everyone is early Android saga tire.

Super 13: Best fits in Imperfect Cell saga. Assuming Piccolo destroys Cell and later 17 and 18 and 16 is somehow brought down by the Z warriors.

Broly 1: Best fits in the 10 days of waiting for the Cell games. Assuming Vegeta or Trunks beats Cell or Piccolo is in the ROSAT as Vegeta and Trunks use SSJgr2 still. Goku is stronger than Gohan, could be due to Cell's defeat or Gohan just not being confident.

Bojack Unbound: Best fits after Cell games.

Broly 2: Best fits pre 25th Budokai. Broly is revealed to have survived and is awakened 7 years later. Goten and Trunks are look for the dragonballs to show Videl and Gohan is still preparing for the budokai. Seeing Videl, Goten and Trunks hurt allow Gohan to go SSJ2.

Bio Broly: Best fits after Majin Vegeta vs Majin Buu. Assuming that Majin Vegeta beat Majin Buu and Goku goes back to the other world. Gohan could be in the other world or just didn't show up to help. In this universe due to the time placing Goku does not have SSJ3.

Fusion Reborn: Best fits after the Super Buu fight. Either Gohan or Gotenks kills Super Buu)original Manga ending universe). Goku is still dead and has increased his power, vegeta is still dead as well and with Buu gone has not received a body.

Warth of the Dragon: Best fits after Kid Buu is beat: Gohan and Gotenks say the same while Goku and Vegeta have increase in power with Goku beating Gohan and Gotenks. Goku learns Dragon fist.

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Re: Z Movies and Timelines

Post by Saiga » Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:39 am

Excellent read, I think about the alternate timelines Z movies could fit in quite a bit. I like your ideas, especially linking movies together.

Right now I'm trying to work on a timeline that contains all 13 Z movies 8D
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Post by Zephyr » Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:51 am

Thanks!

And yes, that's always fun to try and do. I've seen a thread here a long while back that managed to pull that off pretty well, but I can't remember what it was titled or who posted it.

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Re: Z Movies and Timelines

Post by Saiga » Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:27 am

At the moment, I'm really stumped on how to connect 12 and 13, because of Gohan's Ultimate status in 13 (jesus, it always comes down to that, doesn't it?)
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