Listing for "Ocean Dub"-specific DBZ: "Rock the Dragon" Set

[oXdanXo]

5: The demand just isn't high enough for it. The extremely high sales on the Orange Bricks is proof enough. The casual fanbase has spoken and they either don't care which cast is being used or are ok with the current cast. The market for this is too niche to really show that much of a profit for.

You're wrong; not everyone grew up with the Funimation dub, us here in the UK got the Ocean Dub as did most Canadians, you also got the folks who like to relive the old dub for nostalgic reasons; there's your demand right there.

I can't stand Funimation, I would jump at the chance to own the Ocean Dub in better quality than the TV rips I have now.

same, my TV recordings are cool, but owning a proper release with artwork, hell I'll take two please.

[Metalwario64]

same, my TV recordings are cool, but owning a proper release with artwork, hell I'll take two please.

While it would be nice to have better encoded footage, how are the old single DVDs not a "proper release"?

[90sDBZ]

5: The demand just isn't high enough for it. The extremely high sales on the Orange Bricks is proof enough. The casual fanbase has spoken and they either don't care which cast is being used or are ok with the current cast. The market for this is too niche to really show that much of a profit for.

You're wrong; not everyone grew up with the Funimation dub, us here in the UK got the Ocean Dub as did most Canadians, you also got the folks who like to relive the old dub for nostalgic reasons; there's your demand right there.

I can't stand Funimation, I would jump at the chance to own the Ocean Dub in better quality than the TV rips I have now.

Well to be fair we got plenty of both dubs here in the UK and it's already been shown that the UK are happy enough with the FUNi dub or don't care which dub they get going from the successful Orange Brick sales. And I think most people would rather own an uncut version more than anything which this release probably couldn't provide.

Still I do hope it happens. But only episodes 1-53. After that the dub was a disaster and wouldn't be worth re-releasing.

[dbboxkaifan]

What's surprising is that all of them think the picture quality of Orange Bricks' is great, I guess they're not picky about it or never seen the Dragon Boxes (or even Level Sets) to say such thing about the OBs.

If Manga Entertainment UK had the opportunity to release the Dragon Boxes here in UK I'd have bought their version instead of importing, but nope.

[The Jackal]

Well to be fair we got plenty of both dubs here in the UK

We only got a small portion of Funimation, and most of that was filler leading up to the Trunks saga.

it's already been shown that the UK are happy enough with the FUNi dub or don't care which dub they get going from the successful Orange Brick sales.

That's only because the Funimation dub is the only version you can buy! Kids/teens today, yeah, I'm sure don't mind, but the people in their early/mid 20s, I'm sure they'd like to experience the version from their past, not all of them, but a lot of them would I'm sure. It would be nice to have a choice.

And I think most people would rather own an uncut version more than anything which this release probably couldn't provide.

There are other boxsets that provide the uncut version, this would be for those who miss watching the version they grew up with on Cartoon Network, like me. Nostalgia sells.

Still I do hope it happens. But only episodes 1-53. After that the dub was a disaster and wouldn't be worth re-releasing.

I disagree; yes, it was rushed. Yes, it recycled music from Megaman. But it was still good. And IMHO, a 1000% times better than the Funimation dub.

[90sDBZ]

Well to be fair we got plenty of both dubs here in the UK

We only got a small portion of Funimation, and most of that was filler leading up to the Trunks saga.

it's already been shown that the UK are happy enough with the FUNi dub or don't care which dub they get going from the successful Orange Brick sales.

That's only because the Funimation dub is the only version you can buy! Kids/teens today, yeah, I'm sure don't mind, but the people in their early/mid 20s, I'm sure they'd like to experience the version from their past, not all of them, but a lot of them would I'm sure. It would be nice to have a choice.

And I think most people would rather own an uncut version more than anything which this release probably couldn't provide.

There are other boxsets that provide the uncut version, this would be for those who miss watching the version they grew up with on Cartoon Network, like me. Nostalgia sells.

Still I do hope it happens. But only episodes 1-53. After that the dub was a disaster and wouldn't be worth re-releasing.

I disagree; yes, it was rushed. Yes, it recycled music from Megaman. But it was still good. And IMHO, a 1000% times better than the Funimation dub.

We got more than just a small portion of the FUNi dub. We got the Ginyu, Frieza, Garlic Jr and Trunks sagas, most of which wasn't filler. Plus the whole Fusion saga was in FUNi dub the first 2-3 times it was shown in the UK. If you add all that up it comes to around 70-80 episodes which is a considerable amount. Not forgetting the fact that the Frieza saga is one of the most memorable and popular parts of the series which was never in Ocean dub and that most of the games since 2003 have had FUNi's voice cast.

Taking all this into account I'm sure there's plenty of older people in the UK who also have a lot of nostalgia for the FUNi dub. Manga UK even commented saying that people in the UK seem to prefer FUNi's dub and about only 20% asked for the Ocean dub.

Speaking from personal experience I admit I do have nostalgia for Ocean episode 1-53 but despite growing up watching the later Ocean dub too I have no interest in ever seeing it again. No amount of nostalgia could make me want to watch that again. When DBZ aired in the UK I loved both the original Ocean dub and the FUNi dub but when it switched back to Ocean at episode 108 I couldn't bare it and I've seen plenty of people online agree too. Some have even gone as far to say they don't know how they even got through DBZ as a kid watching the Westwood dub.

But anyway we can agree to disagree.

[The Jackal]

We got more than just a small portion of the FUNi dub. We got the Ginyu, Freeza, Garlic Jr and Trunks sagas, most of which wasn't filler.

Yeah, you're right, my bad; I forgot they changed dubs during the Namek arc, I thought it was slightly after.

Plus the whole Fusion saga was in FUNi dub the first 2-3 times it was shown in the UK. If you add all that up it comes to around 70-80 episodes which is a considerable amount.

CNX only ran it on for the late afternoon once, all repeats of it were early morning/lunch time airings.

Not forgetting the fact that the Freeza saga is one of the most memorable and popular parts of the series

Subjective; the same could be said of the Saiyan, Android, Cell Games or Buu Arcs and they got dubbed by Ocean.

most of the games since 2003 have had FUNi's voice cast.

Most of the people I knew growing up who liked DBZ weren't into the games or even Anime; I'm pretty sure that still applies in this day and again too. Some folks will watch other anime after experience DBZ, and others won't.

Taking all this into account I'm sure there's plenty of older people in the UK who also have a lot of nostalgia for the FUNi dub.

Same with Ocean.

Manga UK even commented saying that people in the UK seem to prefer FUNi's dub and about only 20% asked for the Ocean dub.

Not everyone who likes DBZ got into other anime or the manga; DBZ aired on Cartoon Network, and besides one or two other animes, was dominated by Western cartoons. Nearly everyone at my school and later college only cared for DBZ, and DBZ alone. I seriously doubt Manga UK asked them what they preferred.

Speaking from personal experience I admit I do have nostalgia for Ocean episode 1-53 but despite growing up watching the later Ocean dub too I have no interest in ever seeing it again. No amount of nostalgia could make me want to watch that again. When DBZ aired in the UK I loved both the original Ocean dub and the FUNi dub but when it switched back to Ocean at episode 108 I couldn't bare it and I've seen plenty of people online agree too. Some have even gone as far to say they don't know how they even got through DBZ as a kid watching the Westwood dub.

And I've seen people say the same for Funimation who like Ocean; people like what they like, I don't see anything wrong with that. The fact Funi were contemplating releasing such a set is proof of that (if it is/was real). There's demand for it, no question.

EDIT: Another way to look at it: forgot what dub is better, that's down to opinion, and noone will ever win that one. See it like this: People might like Funimation, even love it, they might already own it on DVD. But then, out of nowhere, this Ocean Dub set pops up on Amazon. For some, they might pass on it. But for some? They probably buy it, even if they think it's "bad", just to relive a slice of their past. Nostalgia sells like I said before; that's all it takes.

[90sDBZ]

We got more than just a small portion of the FUNi dub. We got the Ginyu, Freeza, Garlic Jr and Trunks sagas, most of which wasn't filler.

Yeah, you're right, my bad; I forgot they changed dubs during the Namek arc, I thought it was slightly after.

Plus the whole Fusion saga was in FUNi dub the first 2-3 times it was shown in the UK. If you add all that up it comes to around 70-80 episodes which is a considerable amount.

CNX only ran it on for the late afternoon once, all repeats of it were early morning/lunch time airings.

Not forgetting the fact that the Freeza saga is one of the most memorable and popular parts of the series

Subjective; the same could be said of the Saiyan, Android, Cell Games or Buu Arcs and they got dubbed by Ocean.

most of the games since 2003 have had FUNi's voice cast.

Most of the people I knew growing up who liked DBZ weren't into the games or even Anime; I'm pretty sure that still applies in this day and again too. Some folks will watch other anime after experience DBZ, and others won't.

Taking all this into account I'm sure there's plenty of older people in the UK who also have a lot of nostalgia for the FUNi dub.

Same with Ocean.

Manga UK even commented saying that people in the UK seem to prefer FUNi's dub and about only 20% asked for the Ocean dub.

Not everyone who likes DBZ got into other anime or the manga; DBZ aired on Cartoon Network, and besides one or two other animes, was dominated by Western cartoons. Nearly everyone at my school and later college only cared for DBZ, and DBZ alone. I seriously doubt Manga UK asked them what they preferred.

Speaking from personal experience I admit I do have nostalgia for Ocean episode 1-53 but despite growing up watching the later Ocean dub too I have no interest in ever seeing it again. No amount of nostalgia could make me want to watch that again. When DBZ aired in the UK I loved both the original Ocean dub and the FUNi dub but when it switched back to Ocean at episode 108 I couldn't bare it and I've seen plenty of people online agree too. Some have even gone as far to say they don't know how they even got through DBZ as a kid watching the Westwood dub.

And I've seen people say the same for Funimation who like Ocean; people like what they like, I don't see anything wrong with that. The fact Funi were contemplating releasing such a set is proof of that (if it is/was real). There's demand for it, no question.

EDIT: Another way to look at it: forgot what dub is better, that's down to opinion, and noone will ever win that one. See it like this: People might like Funimation, even love it, they might already own it on DVD. But then, out of nowhere, this Ocean Dub set pops up on Amazon. For some, they might pass on it. But for some? They probably buy it, even if they think it's "bad", just to relive a slice of their past. Nostalgia sells like I said before; that's all it takes.

But CNX didn't just air the FUNi Fusion dub once. I know for a fact that they aired the entire saga in that dub every day after school in addition to weekend airings for the first several weeks they were on the air. I clearly remember watching every episode after school in FUNi dub and then watching them air it all again in a 2nd run at the same times as before. They even got into a 3rd run of the FUNi Fusion saga but then changed it to the Ocean version on the episode were Gotenks reverts back to base form while fighting Super Buu. I'll never forget my disappointment of that day. Considering the Fusion saga is around 20+ episodes and they used to air 5 episodes a week and that there were 2 and a half runs of the saga in that dub it would have been on the air for well over a month so I'm sure plenty of fans remember that.

Anyway I agree that there might be a fair few that would buy the Ocean dub. None of us can say for sure how well it would sell but I just doubt that the majority of fans would bother getting that if they already own another release of DBZ. Still it is very nice and convenient for those that do care about it and a nice gesture from FUNimation to the original dub fans.

[The Jackal]

But CNX didn't just air the FUNi Fusion dub once. I know for a fact that they aired the entire saga in that dub every day after school in addition to weekend airings for the first several weeks they were on the air. I clearly remember watching every episode after school in FUNi dub and then watching them air it all again in a 2nd run at the same times as before. They even got into a 3rd run of the FUNi Fusion saga but then changed it to the Ocean version on the episode were Gotenks reverts back to base form while fighting Super Buu. I'll never forget my disappointment of that day. Considering the Fusion saga is around 20+ episodes and they used to air 5 episodes a week and that there were 2 and a half runs of the saga in that dub it would have been on the air for well over a month so I'm sure plenty of fans remember that.

Really? I stand corrected then. I remember coming home from college on my lunch break and it being the Funi dub, and at a later showing it was Ocean. Maybe they replayed some Funi at random after they switched to Ocean again? Or maybe I'm just remembering wrong, those months were pretty crazy for me.

[NitroEX]

It's strange how everyone seems to have different memories of that brief Funimation fusion saga run on CNX. I remember waking up at 6am before school and seeing the funimation episodes with the new intro with Gohan on the bike. Then when I came home from school in the afternoon it was the usual intro ("Dragon, Dragon Ball, Dragonball Zee!") with Ocean voices and minor edits such as when Buu goes down the guy's throat and blows him up being cut out.

[90sDBZ]

It's strange how everyone seems to have different memories of that brief Funimation fusion saga run on CNX. I remember waking up at 6am before school and seeing the funimation episodes with the new intro with Gohan on the bike. Then when I came home from school in the afternoon it was the usual intro ("Dragon, Dragon Ball, Dragonball Zee!") with Ocean voices and minor edits such as when Buu goes down the guy's throat and blows him up being cut out.

Honestly it is strange. Because this isn't the first time I've seen people make the mistake of thinking it was only on early in the day. One thing that is worth pointing out is that most of the time the FUNi Fusion eps used the Ocean dub intro and would only occasionally actually air the FUNi intro. But I know 100% that the whole saga aired twice in FUNi dub with an episode every day after school. The promos were all in FUNi dub and I watched CNX on its first day of broadcast and continued to watch it every day after school never missing an episode. Perhaps after the Ocean version aired the FUNi version did continue to be shown at obscure times without me knowing.

That dub fiasco thing still bugs me to this day. One thing that I found really interesting is that we got the first episode of the Fusion saga in FUNi dub the exact same day that Cartoon Network US got it which was October 14th 2002. Usually we didn't get the episodes until much later than the US. That whole situation was when I really became interested in the different dubs of DBZ. Until then I didn't even know that the FUNi dub had continued past the Trunks saga and I was thrilled to see its return after loving it in the older sagas and it felt like old school DBZ had returned with the same epic music from the Frieza episodes. And then I found out it was actually the US dub and felt like the UK had really being missing out. To be fair Ocean's dub did get a bit better at that point but I just couldn't enjoy it after seeing FUNi's version.

[dbboxkaifan]

It's the 1st May 2013 already and still no listing of the product in Amazon's website or a FUNimation announcement, as it stands it's hard to keep positive about this because 17th July is only about two months ago so to speak and Amazon generally lists things a lot sooner.

Dragon Box Z Dragon Ball Z: Vol. 1 for example was announced at Otakon 2009 (17-19 July 2009) and then it became available on 17th November 2009.

Regardless of thinking of this as a hoax I still keep checking Amazon once every day in the hope that it gets listed.

[VegettoEX]

How many times does someone need to point out that a product getting an SKU and listing on even just a smattering of a few official websites with box art and a description is enough to quality as "real product" and not "hoax"...?

C'mon, folks. This is DBZ. It was either delayed or canceled. Time to stop tossing the word "hoax" around in this case.

[TheBalishChannel]

Hi, this is my first post on the Kanzenshuu Forums. I frequent this website often to check and see whether or not there's an update for the Ocean dub of Kai, among other things. I look forward to posting my thoughts and whatever news I can find that hasn't already been posted on the forums in the future.

Anyways, two weeks ago I decided to use the Wayback Machine and visit the original Pioneer Animation website out of curiosity. I scrolled over to "Current Titles" and saw the original Saiyan and Namek boxsets listed, which you could've bought off of the website when it was still relevant. Both of the pages for the Saiyan and Namek boxsets contained a description summarizing what takes place in the saga. After reading the description for the Saiyan saga, I discovered that it was the very same as the one for the newly listed "Dragon Ball Z - Saiyan Saga (Ocean Dub.)"



Any chance of this being a real release, let alone a "re-dub" seems much less likely to me, now.

[Fennekin]

Any update on this DVD yet?

[dbboxkaifan]

Any update on this DVD yet?

No, nothing. Amazon.com keeps adding new anime listings but nothing of this particular product.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_show_unf ... 1369164211

This might really just be a hoax.

[kei17]

This might really just be a hoax.

Read Mike's post and stop saying "hoax", please. That's clearly not the case here.

[Fennekin]

It's not a problem if this is fake or not to me, I'd just like to know more about it.

[Fennekin]

Bad news guys (I wanted to report this yesterday but the site was down.). The DVD was not listed on FUNimation's July DVD schedule, which means it was either delayed or cancelled.

[KingofWisdom]

I'm wondering if this set is related to Kai after all. Like, if they didn't want to use the Kai name to avoid confusion, and maybe it was rescheduled because the dub isn't ready yet? I guess all we can do at this point is speculate.