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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:53 am

My theory, and I admit that this is pure speculation, is that no one can surpass this level of power without either mutations, transformations, or divine powerups.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:20 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:
My theory, and I admit that this is pure speculation, is that no one can surpass this level of power without either mutations, transformations, or divine powerups.
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I consider zenkais to be a form of automatic evolution or mutation. No saiyan ever got as over 500,000 without zenkais, oozaru, or Super Saiyan.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:56 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:Does anyone have any particularly unpopular opinions about Dragon Ball? I'll start off.
Furthermore, there was no Gokuu, Gohan, Vegeta or Piccolo here; it gave the underdogs, Goten, Gohan, Kuririn, #18 and Mr. Satan the spotlight for once. I also liked the simplistic yet somewhat amusing designs of the Bio-Warriors.
Since WHEN was Goten and Trunks underdogs? Vegeta is always destroyed in the movies so not stealing no spotlight.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Godo » Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:05 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
My theory, and I admit that this is pure speculation, is that no one can surpass this level of power without either mutations, transformations, or divine powerups.
Vegeta says hi.
I consider zenkais to be a form of automatic evolution or mutation. No saiyan ever got as over 500,000 without zenkais, oozaru, or Super Saiyan.
Vegeta says that it is normal for Saiya-jins to become stronger via zenkais, so we have the knowledge that it is common for everyone.

I consider Goku and Vegeta to be Saiya-jin mutants.
Their ability to achieve greater levels of power I give to them simply being different to other Saiya-jins.
Even their zenkai abilites is a part of their mutant abilities.
I mean, there has to be LOADS of Saiya-jins wounded and recovered in battle, but we never see anyone stronger than Vegeta. No one got that huge power increases as we know.
The only one we see going to the 10,000 mark is Bardock, who I believe himself to be a mutant too.
I mean, if a "normal" Saiya-jin could jump those amounts in power as Goku and Vegeta did, we would have tons of them being above 20,000 easily.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Rocketman » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:34 am

Normal Saiyans didn't have magical insta-heal beans.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Godo » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:42 am

Rocketman wrote:Normal Saiyans didn't have magical insta-heal beans.
No, they had healing machines capable to heal them in a short amount of time.
The one Goku used at Namek was an old and slow one, and took a short time nevertheless.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Rocketman » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:33 am

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Rocketman wrote:Normal Saiyans didn't have magical insta-heal beans.
No, they had healing machines capable to heal them in a short amount of time.
The one Goku used at Namek was an old and slow one, and took a short time nevertheless.
Which you don't have time to get to if you fall in battle on another planet. If it weren't for Goku's mercy/selfishness, Vegeta would never have gotten any zenkais.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Godo » Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:11 pm

Rocketman wrote:
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Rocketman wrote:Normal Saiyans didn't have magical insta-heal beans.
No, they had healing machines capable to heal them in a short amount of time.
The one Goku used at Namek was an old and slow one, and took a short time nevertheless.
Which you don't have time to get to if you fall in battle on another planet. If it weren't for Goku's mercy/selfishness, Vegeta would never have gotten any zenkais.
The point is that the first zenkai Vegeta got wasn't a surprise to him, whilst the second and third was (regarding increase in power).
I bet that Vegeta of all people knows what amounts are normal or not, and that he would know that such increases such as his first one were possible in the past.

But I'm getting too much into this.
After all it doesn't really matter either way what the reasons were.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by SSJJezter » Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:09 pm

I guess I'll get this thread back on track. :) I don't like Videl's long hair - I think this is unpopular. I don't really like her short hair either. Hell, I just don't like Videl's hair, period. :lol:

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Godo » Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:39 pm

I can add something too.
When I first saw Fat Boo, I thought that he was kinda cool and interesting. It was kinda new to have a villain both childlike and also not calling the shots (having Babidi shouting orders at him).
When Pure Evil Boo appeared, I thought he was interesting, since he seemed wicked and a bit goofy.
When Evil Boo appeared, I loved that although he had calmed down a bit, he still had some childlike features left. He was an entertaining villain. Especially with his absorptions and how he changed with each absorbtion.
When Pure Buu arrived, I was like...meh. Boring.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kid Buu » Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:38 pm

Godo wrote:I can add something too.
When I first saw Fat Boo, I thought that he was kinda cool and interesting. It was kinda new to have a villain both childlike and also not calling the shots (having Babidi shouting orders at him).
When Pure Evil Boo appeared, I thought he was interesting, since he seemed wicked and a bit goofy.
When Evil Boo appeared, I loved that although he had calmed down a bit, he still had some childlike features left. He was an entertaining villain. Especially with his absorptions and how he changed with each absorbtion.
When Pure Buu arrived, I was like...meh. Boring.
I always found Majin Buu to be a mirror of Goku himself.

Fat Buu = Kid Goku: naive and overpowered, childish
Super Buu = Adult Goku: stronger and much smarter of a fighter
Kid Buu = Baby Goku: the Saiyan's true nature of barbaric violence
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Zenkai » Wed May 01, 2013 2:34 am

I'm not sure how unpopular these actually are, but they often seem to be unpopular online.

1.) I like the orange bricks.

2.) I like Dragonball GT.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by FortuneSSJ » Wed May 01, 2013 12:28 pm

1 - I Love GT and consider it canon.
2 - Kuririn is not useless and is too strong as a earthling
3 - I love Bills and Super Saiyan God simple design
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed May 01, 2013 3:21 pm

Unlike a lot of people. I actually prefer Teen-Adult Gohan over Kid and preteen Gohan.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed May 01, 2013 3:22 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:1 - I Love GT and consider it cannon.
2 - Kuririn is not useless and is too strong as a earthling
3 - I love Bills and Super Saiyan God simple design
Not trying to disregard your opinion. But the fans don't decide what's cannon or not lol.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed May 01, 2013 3:33 pm

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FortuneSSJ wrote:1 - I Love GT and consider it cannon.
2 - Kuririn is not useless and is too strong as a earthling
3 - I love Bills and Super Saiyan God simple design
Not trying to disregard your opinion. But the fans don't decide what's cannon or not lol.
Firstly, it's spelled canon. A cannon is used to shoot things.
Secondly, Dragonball doesn't have a set canon. A fan can consider whatever he wants to be canon.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed May 01, 2013 3:45 pm

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FortuneSSJ wrote:1 - I Love GT and consider it cannon.
2 - Kuririn is not useless and is too strong as a earthling
3 - I love Bills and Super Saiyan God simple design
Not trying to disregard your opinion. But the fans don't decide what's cannon or not lol.
Firstly, it's spelled canon. A cannon is used to shoot things.
Secondly, Dragonball doesn't have a set canon. A fan can consider whatever he wants to be canon.
Nope it's a bone :P. Actually a fan can't pick what's canon even for dbz. Using that logic all the movies COULD be canon/cannon.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Insertclevername » Wed May 01, 2013 6:40 pm

Well....why not? If there is no set word on what is canon and what is not, then why can't I choose for myself. Lets say I really like GT and I consider that canon. Lets say someone really likes Dragon Ball Online and totally digs that alternate timeline; so much so that they consider it the canonical events that occur after the manga? Both are official products yet they totally contradict each other. Who would be right in this case?


Both would.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Wed May 01, 2013 8:14 pm

Insertclevername wrote:Well....why not? If there is no set word on what is canon and what is not, then why can't I choose for myself. Lets say I really like GT and I consider that canon. Lets say someone really likes Dragon Ball Online and totally digs that alternate timeline; so much so that they consider it the canonical events that occur after the manga? Both are official products yet they totally contradict each other. Who would be right in this case?


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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Bussani » Thu May 02, 2013 2:05 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Actually a fan can't pick what's canon even for dbz. Using that logic all the movies COULD be canon/cannon.
All the movies could be part of some canon in someone's head. Whether they're part of the author's canon or not is what most people wonder about, but there's nothing stopping anyone else from making their own. I can't think of many good reasons to do so, but that doesn't stop them.

See Mike's post on the subject, which probably explains it better than I can.
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