"DBZ: Battle of Z" (360/PS3/Vita) On-Going Discussion Thread

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

As indicated in the other thread, these are the Japanese sales figures(they are public information) and are so far the only solid and valuable source to go off of. A lot of times in the US, you'll only get a units shipped figure from publishers or at times nothing at all. In Japan, instead of Greatest hits, they go by the title "the best" and honestly I'm not clear on the rules for meeting that requirement. Last I checked, for greatest hits you had to meet 400,000 copies sold within 9 months. Before that, it was 250,000 and for all I know that could be the requirements needed to meet "the best" title. If so, then yes, all of the titles meet that criteria. However, I only remember Budokai 3 getting a "greatest hits" rating here in the US; it offered the exclusive Japanese costumes and the ability to change your language preference. In either case, that game did meet the requirement.

It's funny how little people trust VGChartz. It's used as a point of reference and not gospel, VGChartz is usually off with estimates in the first few weeks but they quickly correct themselves over time. I think it's far more indicative than using Japan to prove a point.

The estimates on VGChartz show Tenkaichi 3 and Budokai 3 to be very, very close and I would go by that.

But the Japanese numbers are the numbers not constantly adjusted estimates. How is an estimate more indicative than solid fact? If there is another source that links to the total sales in all of Japan, US and Europe that doesn't use VGChartz or estimations but rather quotes from the words of Namco-Bandai/Atari please link them. I'd be happy to use those as a better basis for comparison.

[Eddie]

As indicated in the other thread, these are the Japanese sales figures(they are public information) and are so far the only solid and valuable source to go off of. A lot of times in the US, you'll only get a units shipped figure from publishers or at times nothing at all. In Japan, instead of Greatest hits, they go by the title "the best" and honestly I'm not clear on the rules for meeting that requirement. Last I checked, for greatest hits you had to meet 400,000 copies sold within 9 months. Before that, it was 250,000 and for all I know that could be the requirements needed to meet "the best" title. If so, then yes, all of the titles meet that criteria. However, I only remember Budokai 3 getting a "greatest hits" rating here in the US; it offered the exclusive Japanese costumes and the ability to change your language preference. In either case, that game did meet the requirement.

It's funny how little people trust VGChartz. It's used as a point of reference and not gospel, VGChartz is usually off with estimates in the first few weeks but they quickly correct themselves over time. I think it's far more indicative than using Japan to prove a point.

The estimates on VGChartz show Tenkaichi 3 and Budokai 3 to be very, very close and I would go by that.

But the Japanese numbers are the numbers not constantly adjusted estimates. How is an estimate more indicative than solid fact? If there is another source that links to the total sales in all of Japan, US and Europe that doesn't use VGChartz or estimations but rather quotes from the words of Namco-Bandai/Atari please link them. I'd be happy to use those as a better basis for comparison.

Ah, sorry about that. I thought that was worldwide. As for Budokai 3 being the only Greatest Hit, though, that isn't the case. Many of the DBZ games up until Shin Budokai hit that status. In fact, Shin Budokai was a fairly early PSP Greatest Hit.

[miguelnuva1]

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon ... _and_Sales

Budokai 3

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon ... _and_Sales

Tenkaichi 3

Tops:

Budokai 1 (sold about 3 million units)
Budokai 2 (sold 2.1 million units)
Budokai 3 (sold 1.9 million units)
Budokai Tenkaichi 1 (sold1 1.5 million units)
Budokai Tenkaichi 3 (sold over 3 million units)
Super Butoden games (over a 1 million units collectively)
Legacy of Goku games (first one sold 1.5 million units)

Flops:

Taiketsu
Infinite World
Raging Blast 2
Ultimate Battle 22
Super Dragon Ball Z (unfortunately )
Tenkaichi Tag Team
Sagas


Tenkaichi 3 has Budokai 3 beat just slightly but it's beat. I know game critics don't mater but the avrage score has Tenkaichi 3 about 1 point ahead of Budokai 3.

[VegettoEX]

The whole "lolz DB Wikia" sentiment aside, a wiki itself is not an independent source for information -- it is inherently an amalgamation of information. What are the ACTUAL sources for those numbers?

[Jaruka]

But the Japanese numbers are the numbers not constantly adjusted estimates. How is an estimate more indicative than solid fact? If there is another source that links to the total sales in all of Japan, US and Europe that doesn't use VGChartz or estimations but rather quotes from the words of Namco-Bandai/Atari please link them. I'd be happy to use those as a better basis for comparison.

Because by posting these people will assume it is indicative of the overall sales of the games whereas there are two larger markets that need to be taken into account - those being Europe and the United States.

You posted those numbers after someone claimed Tenkaichi 3 to be the highest selling game. Had they said 'highest selling game in Japan' then these figures would be helpful however they are not indicative of the entire world and thus neither your post nor those numbers are a refutation of the claim that Tenkaichi 3.

All it literally means is that we have absolutely no idea how the games sold overall.

[miguelnuva1]

This was actually posted by Jaruka

As we all know, Dragonball Z games have been selling rather awfully for the last few years. To start this off I will post the sales information according to VGChartz.

Sales (in Millions):
Dragon Ball Z Budokai: 3.09 (2.17 from the US)
Dragon Ball Z Budokai 2: 2.41 (1.63 from the US - EU and Japanese sales consistent)
Dragon Ball Z Budokai 3: 1.94 (Global market now lower than US sales alone on the first game. Europe decreases minimally)
Dragonball Z Budokai Tenkaichi: 1.66 (Japan rises and US & EU lower again with Japan buying more)
Dragonball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 2: 1.4 (Everyone lower still and near equal share between PS2 & Wii - Possible due to new characters on the Wii)
Dragonball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 3: 3.97 (Highest selling game. US sales still rather low but sales in Europe and Japan explode from Europe selling 0.02 units of Tenkaichi 2 to 0.87 units)

Dragonball Z Burst Limit: 1.26 (overall sells almost 2x on PS3)
Dragonball Z Raging Blast: 1.13 (Sells slightly less than Burst Limit with approximately 0.65m sales in the US- Sells better on PS3 again)
Dragonball Z Raging Blast 2: 1.02 (Only scrapes 1 million but sells better on the 360 than Raging Blast does)
Dragonball Z Ultimate Tenkaichi: 0.89 (We all know why this sold badly, don't we)

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

Because by posting these people will assume it is indicative of the overall sales of the games whereas there are two larger markets that need to be taken into account - those being Europe and the United States.

You posted those numbers after someone claimed Tenkaichi 3 to be the highest selling game. Had they said 'highest selling game in Japan' then these figures would be helpful however they are not indicative of the entire world and thus neither your post nor those numbers are a refutation of the claim that Tenkaichi 3.

All it literally means is that we have absolutely no idea how the games sold overall.

They represent the only solid basis for any claim in this reguard. They are fact. A limited fact yes, but still a fact. VGChartz, is not a fact, it is an estimate. On top of that they do not provide any sources to which they base these estimates at. There are no links to any statements made by Namco-Bandai(nor any developer for any game for that matter) and are just shots in the dark until something official comes up.

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon ... _and_Sales

Budokai 3

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon ... _and_Sales

Tenkaichi 3

VegettoEX already made the point I was going to make, but if you look at the original source used in that Wiki, it's VGchartz. Again not the best source of information.

[Eddie]

Well it's not much, but it's a start. Here's a source that puts Budokai Tenkaichi2/Sparking Neo at 1.18 million sales in it's first year. This is allegedly from Namdai themselves.

http://www.gamespot.com//news/namco-ban ... nt-6170355

Interestingly, if it is true this games sales are actually higher than what VGChartz is claiming for this game. Hopefully somebody that knows how to internet better than me can use this to help with their research on the subject.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

Well it's not much, but it's a start. Here's a source that puts Budokai Tenkaichi2/Sparking Neo at 1.18 million sales in it's first year. This is allegedly from Namdai themselves.

http://www.gamespot.com//news/namco-ban ... nt-6170355

Interestingly, if it is true this games sales are actually higher than what VGChartz is claiming for this game. Hopefully somebody that knows how to internet better than me can use this to help with their research on the subject.

Good find, unfortunately I couldn't find anything similar to it that was as credible.

[Jaruka]

Because by posting these people will assume it is indicative of the overall sales of the games whereas there are two larger markets that need to be taken into account - those being Europe and the United States.

You posted those numbers after someone claimed Tenkaichi 3 to be the highest selling game. Had they said 'highest selling game in Japan' then these figures would be helpful however they are not indicative of the entire world and thus neither your post nor those numbers are a refutation of the claim that Tenkaichi 3.

All it literally means is that we have absolutely no idea how the games sold overall.

They represent the only solid basis for any claim in this reguard. They are fact. A limited fact yes, but still a fact. VGChartz, is not a fact, it is an estimate. On top of that they do not provide any sources to which they base these estimates at. There are no links to any statements made by Namco-Bandai(nor any developer for any game for that matter) and are just shots in the dark until something official comes up.

How was I defending VG in this last post? I said that we have no idea how both games sold, I wasn't refuting that your figures are fact I merely said they mean diddly-squat overall.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

It just occurred to me; this fight never reached a proper conclusion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4CTiA2D2KE

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

I'm not from Europe and can't see the Facebook page, has anything new popped up recently. I almost feel like all potential news and hype from this game just kind of vanished. E3 is in another month and there hasn't even been a title dropped by anyone.

[dbboxkaifan]

I'm not from Europe and can't see the Facebook page, has anything new popped up recently. I almost feel like all potential news and hype from this game just kind of vanished. E3 is in another month and there hasn't even been a title dropped by anyone.

Sorry. Nothing.

Unless you count impatient fans complaining about no information about this year's Dragon Ball 2013 Game Project, then there's a lot.

[Hellspawn28]

It would be funny if this whole thing was just a scam just to get likes .

[dbzfan7]

Will E3 let us know what happens with the next dragon ball game? What are the odds?

[DBZ Mick]

Honestly I think the peak of Dragonball games has past us. I think the peak was 2004 IMO. Although we got some gems IMO after such as BT3, IW... I don't think anything has reached the excitement for when LOGII was coming out and especially BF and B3...

[Xeogran]

It just occurred to me; this fight never reached a proper conclusion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4CTiA2D2KE

No need to, Broly soloes : )

Yeah, a new DIMPS game would have been really fun. Include Buu Saga though >.<

[dbboxkaifan]

Dimps could have incorporated the Majin Buu arc by DLC addition instead of making a second game just to cover it. It's rather unnecessary making BL2 for Buu arc seeing we've gone over it a ton of times now and Dimps' makes traditional fighters which would allow them to make a spectacular DB fighing game for the home consoles.

[Xeogran]

Dimps could have incorporated the Majin Buu arc by DLC addition instead of making a second game just to cover it, it's rather unnecessary seeing we've gone over it a ton of times now and Dimps' makes traditional fighters which would allow them to make a spectacular DB fighing game for the home consoles.

Then the DLC would need to be really huge, otherwise we would get like 5 New Characters and rushed Story Mode. A whole new game would have been better. Also, i never stated it should stop at Buu Saga. Go through the movies including BoG and GT story line.

[Super Sayian Prime]

Dimps could have incorporated the Majin Buu arc by DLC addition instead of making a second game just to cover it. It's rather unnecessary making BL2 for Buu arc seeing we've gone over it a ton of times now and Dimps' makes traditional fighters which would allow them to make a spectacular DB fighing game for the home consoles.

You act as though Dimps has any control over that. Namco Bandai is the one that would have to allow that.