Buu Saga Info

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

They just notice his Ki, and say he escaped from the RoSaT, they don't seem to notice anything like that.

[Kamiccolo9]

They just notice his Ki, and say he escaped from the RoSaT, they don't seem to notice anything like that.

Ah, cool. Thanks! Well, he was right next to them. That probably helped

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Oh damn! I forgot to say Goku was the one who noticed his ki.
This was also before Rou Kaioshin gave them that ball to watch the fight with.

[Kamiccolo9]

Oh damn! I forgot to say Goku was the one who noticed his ki.

Oh, I thought you were talking about Krillin and the others
Well, they were watching the fight on the crystal ball just prior to that, so it makes sense that they were keeping track of the fight. The Room of Space and Time is totally shut off from the rest of the universe, so they probably couldn't sense Buu in there, but when he escaped, he was already paying attention and noticed his ki.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Yeah that was my bad, I meant Kaioshin and Goku. I should have said. That part was before they received that crystal ball, just after Goku says something like "I wish I could see what's going on" and then Rou Kaioshin poofs the ball up. I do think he was possibly searching for some Ki though, which is still impressive since Kibito is amazed that Goku's power reaches that realm, it's as if he thinks nothing should be able too from that distance. But then there's also Kaioshin just randomly noticing nearly all the people on earth were killed, and that one seemed totally random.

The more I remember the Boo arc, the more I realize what a mess it was.

[Kamiccolo9]

Yeah that was my bad, I meant Kaioshin and Goku. I should have said. That part was before they received that crystal ball, just after Goku says something like "I wish I could see what's going on" and then Rou Kaioshin poofs the ball up. I do think he was possibly searching for some Ki though, which is still impressive since Kibito is amazed that Goku's power reaches that realm, it's as if he thinks nothing should be able too from that distance. But then there's also Kaioshin just randomly noticing nearly all the people on earth were killed, and that one seemed totally random.

The more I remember the Boo arc, the more I realize what a mess it was.

Well, Kibito also considered Dabura to be a big deal, and he was fighting almost evenly with Super Saiyan Gohan, which kinda implies to me that he hasn't had much experience with high end power levels like the Ascended Saiyans and Buu.
As for Kaioshin sensing the people on Earth, he is the overseer of the universe. If something really bad goes down, I think it's part of his job that he knows about it. Remember, he knew about Freeza, who destroyed planets and wiped out entire races, yet didn't know about Cell, who was much stronger than Freeza, but didn't do nearly as many bad things. Although Kami knew something bad was going down, which leads me to believe that the lower deities are supposed to handle local threats, like Cell, while universal threats that disrupt the universe, like Buu, are dealt with by the Kaioshins.

[Undertaker]

Even if Kibito could "feel everything and teleport anywhere," that just supports my theory. Buu sensed Goku and Vegeta and teleported to them. He didn't need to sense their ki to teleport, but he did need to sense them to know where to teleport. Otherwise he would just be jumping around blindly looking for the highest powers he could. Incidentally, this is exactly what happened in the anime. You can tell he sensed them, because right before teleporting, he's looking around into space, then he stops and grins, and jumps right to them. He obviously found them.

They are not real gods. They are just titled like gods. Dende is a mere Namekian, he doesn't become a god just because he was Kami's replacement.

So tell me then. What defines a god in the Dragonball universe? Other than being specifically referred to as a god multiple times by various characters, including Kaio himself?

But it has nothing to do with Goku being able to feel SSJ Gotenks. The Kaioshins and Kaio are gods while Kami is a "god". He is titled as a god because he is the one who watches the Earth. Dende is the same thing Kami was but Dende is a mere Namekian but not a god, so was Kami. If I can do amazing things and people would come up and say "wow you are godly" doesn't make me a god now does it?

Mjb1985: Dende can do the same Kami did but Dende is not a real god. He was not born as a god.

[Undertaker]

Super Boo managed to from so far away, and it's implied that he even felt the power up before it was complete, yet on earth they still don't notice him, but in-universe there isn't many ways around it besides what you said. It's strange how they notice Super Boo's ki when he escapes the RoSaT, I guess they were searching for it that time then or something.

It was for dramatic entrance

[Kamiccolo9]

Even if Kibito could "feel everything and teleport anywhere," that just supports my theory. Buu sensed Goku and Vegeta and teleported to them. He didn't need to sense their ki to teleport, but he did need to sense them to know where to teleport. Otherwise he would just be jumping around blindly looking for the highest powers he could. Incidentally, this is exactly what happened in the anime. You can tell he sensed them, because right before teleporting, he's looking around into space, then he stops and grins, and jumps right to them. He obviously found them.

They are not real gods. They are just titled like gods. Dende is a mere Namekian, he doesn't become a god just because he was Kami's replacement.

So tell me then. What defines a god in the Dragonball universe? Other than being specifically referred to as a god multiple times by various characters, including Kaio himself?

But it has nothing to do with Goku being able to feel SSJ Gotenks. The Kaioshins and Kaio are gods while Kami is a "god". He is titled as a god because he is the one who watches the Earth. Dende is the same thing Kami was but Dende is a mere Namekian but not a god, so was Kami. If I can do amazing things and people would come up and say "wow you are godly" doesn't make me a god now does it?

Mjb1985: Dende can do the same Kami did but Dende is not a real god. He was not born as a god.

You didn't answer my question. What makes a god a god? Goku and the others consider him to be a god. Enma considers him to be a god. Kaio, who is most definitely a god, also calls him a god. Kami is a god who watches the Earth. Kaio watches the North Galaxy. Dai Kaio watches the whole galaxy. And the Kaioshins oversee everything.

[Bussani]

Dende can do the same Kami did but Dende is not a real god. He was not born as a god.

Dragon Ball doesn't make this distinction you're talking about. By Dragon Ball's logic, Kami and Dende have always been gods. Hell, even the Kaio are simply chosen by a lottery. They're not born Kaio. The only difference between them and Kami is that Kaio are always chosen from Shinjin, whereas planetary gods are chosen from the local population.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Super Boo managed to from so far away, and it's implied that he even felt the power up before it was complete, yet on earth they still don't notice him, but in-universe there isn't many ways around it besides what you said. It's strange how they notice Super Boo's ki when he escapes the RoSaT, I guess they were searching for it that time then or something.

It was for dramatic entrance

Oh yeah, most definitely. But I wanted an in-universe theory on it.
Another strange thing is that Gohan doesn't notice Gotenks reverting to base, and that should be noticeable! Gohan says "Are you serious?!" when Goku tells him the kids fusion has powered down. He should have known that he wasn't SSJ3 for sure.

[Undertaker]

Even if Kibito could "feel everything and teleport anywhere," that just supports my theory. Buu sensed Goku and Vegeta and teleported to them. He didn't need to sense their ki to teleport, but he did need to sense them to know where to teleport. Otherwise he would just be jumping around blindly looking for the highest powers he could. Incidentally, this is exactly what happened in the anime. You can tell he sensed them, because right before teleporting, he's looking around into space, then he stops and grins, and jumps right to them. He obviously found them.

They are not real gods. They are just titled like gods. Dende is a mere Namekian, he doesn't become a god just because he was Kami's replacement.

So tell me then. What defines a god in the Dragonball universe? Other than being specifically referred to as a god multiple times by various characters, including Kaio himself?

But it has nothing to do with Goku being able to feel SSJ Gotenks. The Kaioshins and Kaio are gods while Kami is a "god". He is titled as a god because he is the one who watches the Earth. Dende is the same thing Kami was but Dende is a mere Namekian but not a god, so was Kami. If I can do amazing things and people would come up and say "wow you are godly" doesn't make me a god now does it?

Mjb1985: Dende can do the same Kami did but Dende is not a real god. He was not born as a god.

You didn't answer my question. What makes a god a god? Goku and the others consider him to be a god. Enma considers him to be a god. Kaio, who is most definitely a god, also calls him a god. Kami is a god who watches the Earth. Kaio watches the North Galaxy. Dai Kaio watches the whole galaxy. And the Kaioshins oversee everything.[/quote]

And you didn't answer mine. Dende is what Kami was. Does that make him a god despite the fact he was a mere Namekian? Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that Kaioshin is weaker than the Base Saiyans while Piccolo is above them

Saiyan Prince Vegeta: Gohan never said it.

[Bussani]

Dende is what Kami was. Does that make him a god despite the fact he was a mere Namekian?

By Dragon Ball's definitions, yes. "God" is more of a title or state of being than a race in Dragon Ball. Even the guy we know as the North Kaio only became a god when he won a lottery, according to the guidebooks.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Undertaker it definetly is Gohan who says "are you serious?!" I've got manga open right now, Goku then responds with "Yeah!! They'll be killed!!"

[Undertaker]

Undertaker it definetly is Gohan who says "are you serious?!" I've got manga open right now, Goku then responds with "Yeah!! They'll be killed!!"

Oh this chapter. I thought you meant something else and your context is wrong

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Why?

[Kamiccolo9]

Super Boo managed to from so far away, and it's implied that he even felt the power up before it was complete, yet on earth they still don't notice him, but in-universe there isn't many ways around it besides what you said. It's strange how they notice Super Boo's ki when he escapes the RoSaT, I guess they were searching for it that time then or something.

It was for dramatic entrance

Oh yeah, most definitely. But I wanted an in-universe theory on it.
Another strange thing is that Gohan doesn't notice Gotenks reverting to base, and that should be noticeable! Gohan says "Are you serious?!" when Goku tells him the kids fusion has powered down. He should have known that he wasn't SSJ3 for sure.

Isn't Gohan supposed to be staying calm during his powerup? Maybe he's actively blocking sensing ki. It would make sense seeing as how Goku scared them all earlier. He wouldn't want to risk having to start the Old Kaioshin powerup ritual thing over.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Well Gohan felt hopelessness and was worried, he was also impatient and doubted the ritual yet he still powered up a lot when he got pissed. Then he calmed down a bit, though he still seemed worried after. It didn't help that Goku looked worried as hell, and kept shouting things out like "dirty murderer." So I'd say he doesn't have to be calm.

[Kamiccolo9]

Well Gohan felt hopelessness and was worried, he was also impatient and doubted the ritual yet he still powered up a lot when he got pissed. Then he calmed down a bit, though he still seemed worried after. It didn't help that Goku looked worried as hell, and kept shouting things out like "dirty murderer." So I'd say he doesn't have to be calm.

Well, yeah, but he was supposed to stay calm. And, as you said, he was distracted.

[Mjb1985]

Dende and Kami are gods. They were both Namekians and one day they ascended to god ship. Neither were born gods , they became one.

Once a god always a god as well. Piccolo know has the ability of god eyes once he merges with Kami. No on can look down from the lookout and see except Kami and Piccolo fused with Kami. Dende can too I assume but I can't remember him doing that.