Buu Saga Info

[Kamiccolo9]

True, but when you apply what he says later, about it not being his place, it makes sense.

No no, at this moment, his first thought is to fuse with Bejita or Gohan That's Mister Popo who gave him the idea of the boys !
So there isn't thousands of possiblities here : Either goku prefers to use fusion than his SSJ3, or...Toriyama didn't thought yet to SSJ3. And both can explain Goku's statment in Super Buu's body

Both Vegeta and Gohan were alive though. That would have been the living saving the world of the living, with Goku's help. Same as with the boys. If he had gone SSJ3 and taken out Buu though, it would have just been Goku showing up, saving the world, and leaving again in a day. Fusion offered a chance for the living to save themselves.

[BejitaSama]

Buu is in an absorption pod, he has South Kaioshin and Daikaioshin's influence in him. When he was removed he started reverting back to his Pure self. Since all absorptions were that were removed weakened him, that means Pure Buu is weaker than Super Buu and since South Kaioshin Buu is stronger than Super Buu, South Kaioshin strengthened Pure Buu.

I'm sorry man, but I still didn't understand...if all absorptions and the lost of Good Buu (who has Dai Kai + South Kai) weakened him, how can Buff Buu be stronger than Super ?
Furthermore, it's pretty clear that by "absorptions", they talk about Gohan and co. Good Buu is not a normal absorption. You try to make official this South Kai story, but it's useless, there isn't any mention of that

Both Vegeta and Gohan were alive though. That would have been the living saving the world of the living, with Goku's help. Same as with the boys. If he had gone SSJ3 and taken out Buu though, it would have just been Goku showing up, saving the world, and leaving again in a day. Fusion offered a chance for the living to save themselves.

You're still in Goku's mind, may be deaper And it's not logic, fusion with Gohan or Bejita means for Goku to take a big role in the battle. It's not just a simply help ! It isn't logic with his wish to let them save the earth. With fusion, he would be 50% of the person that will beat Buu.

[Kamiccolo9]

You're still in Goku's mind, may be deaper And it's not logic to me, fusion with Gohan or Bejita means for Goku to take a big role in the battle. It's not just a simply help ! It isn't logic with his wish to let them save the earth. With fusion, he would be 50% of the person that will beat Buu.

We do see later on that when a dead guy and a living guy fuse, the fusion is alive

[BejitaSama]

Lol Kami, please don't go here
You're playing with words, the thought of Goku is not "A dead man can't beat Buu", it's "I won't be here forever, and I'm already dead, but they have to save the earth alone, without me."

[Kamiccolo9]

Lol Kami, please don't go here
You're playing with words, the thought of Goku is not "A dead man can't beat Buu", it's "I won't be here forever, and I'm already dead, but they have to save the earth alone, without me."

The direct quote is "I shouldn't even be here! It's not something I should do." He shouldn't be there because he is dead. It's not the place of a dead guy to save the world of the living.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Buu is in an absorption pod, he has South Kaioshin and Daikaioshin's influence in him. When he was removed he started reverting back to his Pure self. Since all absorptions were that were removed weakened him, that means Pure Buu is weaker than Super Buu and since South Kaioshin Buu is stronger than Super Buu, South Kaioshin strengthened Pure Buu.

I'm sorry man, but I still didn't understand...if all absorptions and the lost of Good Buu (who has Dai Kai + South Kai) weakened him, how can Buff Buu be stronger than Super ?
Furthermore, it's pretty clear that by "absorptions", they talk about Gohan and co. Good Buu is not a normal absorption. You try to make official this South Kai story, but it's useless, there isn't any mention of that.

that whole seen was of Buu reverting so it showed his South Kaioshin absorbed state before reverting to Kid Buu. Good Buu is an absorption because he is in a pod. Honestly claiming he isn't is really splitting hairs.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

So how do you feel about Super > Gotenks? I doubt it would be by a large measure , I'm assuming the same gap Gotenks had on Buu before could do just fine here. I'm trying to think about a fight comparable to Gotenks vs Buu , perhaps the Cell vs Goku / Zarbon vs Vegeta / Kkx2 Goku vs FP Vegeta range?

Basically helpless but right there if the opponent makes a mistake ? Or is Buu even further off during the fight?

Well Gotenks gets hit once for being too cocky, the other two times can't be helped. I wouldn't compare it to the Zarbon vs Vegeta fights, simply because they were so much more ruthless. Goku couldn't do anything to FP Vegeta until he went Kkx3, so better than that. Gotenks was doing much better than Cell when he powered up against Goku too. The only way Boo hit SSJ3 Gotenks, minus his cocky moment, was with a mouth blast, a grab & throw, and then he tried to punch Gotenks but was blocked and then pummeled. He just couldn't hit Gotenks. With that being said, I do think Boo could be equal to Gotenks, he found out about the fusion time limit on earth, just after Gotenks and Piccolo played Boo volleyball, so he was trying up until that point I guess, and it's hard to gauge his power there because of how short that part was.

That scene plays out like this if I'm remembering right.

Gotenks charges at Boo who is to busy sniggering (off guard), and gets head butted through a part of the lookout. Gotenks then appears behind Boo and throws a punch, Boo dodges and throws Gotenks through the lookout. Boo then curls into a ball and rams into the lookout trying to hit Gotenks who doges several times, he then captures Boo in his "Super donut chain", and pounds him into the earth (with a little help from Piccolo ). It sounds equal, but it's too short to say to much.

[RandomGuy96]

I still say Gotenks is stronger by a considerable amount. He pummeled Buu when he got serious and Buu would've never survived that fight had it not been for his regeneration.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Oh yeah, he pummelled Boo for sure, but just say if Boo was stronger than Gotenks, and he put up an equal fight or battered Gotenks, then the boys surely wouldn't want to fuse again as it would be a waste. Then Boo's precious plan goes down the drain.

[dbzfan7]

Super Boo also only considers Gohan a threat to his throne of being the strongest. This could be why he doesn't beat up Gotenks or else he ruins his chance of beating Gohan. I have the two on par as either of them only need a moment to kill each other.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

I put them as equals, but I give Boo the advantage because of his regeneration.

[Mjb1985]

I don't know. Super Buu says he is the strongest. What's to say he's lying? Losing to Gotenks earlier only helps his plan.

[dbzfan7]

I don't know. Super Buu says he is the strongest. What's to say he's lying? Losing to Gotenks earlier only helps his plan.

I think so too. He openly admits Gohan was his superior, but does not say the same for Gotenks.

[Mjb1985]

Yea I just don't see why he would lie.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

If they were equals there would be nobody stronger than him besides Gohan, so technically he wouldn't be lying.

[Mjb1985]

Wouldn't Gotenks then be a threat to his throne of being the strongest though? And notice how he talks down about Gotenks.

I knew if I absorbed that squirt Super Gotenks... I don't know. I feel like he'd be more respectful of someone who matched him? Maybe? I don't know.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

He would be a threat, but in Boo's head he probably thought that Gotenks wouldn't have time to do anything more because he was going to get absorbed. Even if they are equal Boo has that amazing regeneration which will give him the win. When he was trying against Gotenks (on the look out) they seemed relatively close. They might not be dead on equal, but in my head the difference is so minute that it's easier to just call them equals.

I don't think Boo would be respectful towards him, but more annoyed as Gotenks is a bit of a douche!

[Mjb1985]

I see your point. I'm on the fence though. I would think equal powers would be a threat to your crown regeneration or not. Amplified ki blasts are suggested to be pretty damn powerful during this part of the story. A FP KHH from Gotenks should kill Super Buu if equals much like how Ssj3 Goku can obliterate Kid Buu don't you think?

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

I see your point. I'm on the fence though. I would think equal powers would be a threat to your crown regeneration or not. Amplified ki blasts are suggested to be pretty damn powerful during this part of the story. A FP KHH from Gotenks should kill Super Buu if equals much like how Ssj3 Goku can obliterate Kid Buu don't you think?

Yeah given enough time to charge his attack I think Gotenks could win. If he used a Super ghost kamikaze attack Boo could be in trouble, that attack 8x stronger than the last time he used it could do some colossal damage.

Gotenks is a threat for sure, but Boo kind of knew he was going to absorb him so he wasn't going to be around to give him any trouble.

[dbzfan7]

I see your point. I'm on the fence though. I would think equal powers would be a threat to your crown regeneration or not. Amplified ki blasts are suggested to be pretty damn powerful during this part of the story. A FP KHH from Gotenks should kill Super Buu if equals much like how Ssj3 Goku can obliterate Kid Buu don't you think?

They can be equal powers and not be a threat. Boo was at one point furious at Gotenks. He probably relaxed when he knew there was a time limit since he can survive SSJ3 Gotenks for 5 minutes no problem.