The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[PerfectFreeza]

Being beaten around by a base saiyan would make him even more desperate.
Vegetto would have went to SSJ2 or maybe even SSJ3, if he wasn't confident in his own power.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I've already just pointed out it's near impossible for it to be multiplication. Your Buu saga levels place Vegetto at 1/6 the strength of a theoretical Freeza saga Vegetto. As said before, it's "closer" to multiplication (as in, more than Goku x 2), but it's probably not literally Goku x Vegeta.

No it's not. Vegetto has no rival, he can be greater than 6 Trillion and have the story make sense. Yeah I just think it's closer to multiplication instead of exact but even then I still have Vegetto 50x stronger than Gogeta.

Are you even looking at the powers? A Freeza saga Vegetto using your multiplication is already 6x stronger than your Buu saga Vegetto. That shows a vast difference from multiplication. Also, no equal/end game? Beers and Whis would make Vegetto their bitch . Arguably SSG Goku could as well.

I am aware I think Vegetto isn't exact multiplication but I am saying it's possible it can be. I wasn't taking Whis and Beers into account. Whis and Beers can still beat a Vegetto of exact multiplication, it would only take a slight adjustment.

[Kamiccolo9]

Being beaten around by a base saiyan would make him even more desperate.
Vegetto would have went to SSJ2 or maybe even SSJ3, if he wasn't confident in his own power.

Says who? Vegetto was already playing with Buu, and SSJ2 and SSJ3 have flaws that regular SSJ doesn't. Vegetto wouldn't necessarily want to inconvieniece himself with the strain of the higher forms. He wasn't sure about his own power, but the Old Kaioshin said that he would be able to win the fight in base if he fused with Gohan. Maybe he was just being cautious? You can't really say that Base Vegetto was weaker than Buuhan, because we never see him do anything that would put him weaker than Buuhan. There is no "right" answer because both of our views are possible.

[dbzfan7]

Toriyama vs Editors

[Kamiccolo9]

Toriyama vs Editors

Well, the first two seemed to have a pretty good advantage over him, but he's the one who came out famous, so he won in the end. He just walked all over his last one.

[Mjb1985]

I don't know K, I think the power they fuse at should be the resulting fusion. I don't think Gotenks take advantage of the rest of Trunks ki.

Potara does for sure , but I don't consider it like that.

I don't think fusion takes transformation power into account either. The fusion can or can't transform , but Base Goten / Base Trunks results in Base Gotenks. I don't think Ssj plays a factor unless they fuse as Ssjs.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Well they fuse in base and start off in SSJ3 before he gets absorbed by Boo, so they can just decide what form to be before fusing I guess.

[Kamiccolo9]

Well they fuse in base and start off in SSJ3 before he gets absorbed by Boo, so they can just decide what form to be before fusing I guess.

And Goku and Vegeta fuse and base and come out as SSJ Gogeta in movie 12.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

True. I only ever use the manga as a reference though. I don't know the other stuff anywhere near as well as I do the manga.

[Kamiccolo9]

True. I only ever use the manga as a reference though. I don't know the other stuff anywhere near as well as I do the manga.

Yeah, usually I do as well, but Gogeta is a movie character, so the only real info we have on him comes from the movie.

[RandomGuy96]

Future Trunks (Cell Games) vs Piccolo (Buu Saga)

[Kamiccolo9]

Piccolo. Toryama said he kept training, and I don't think he was very far off Trunks in the Cell Games anyway.

[Mjb1985]

I don't get the impression Piccolo has increased his power significantly even it be may have trained. He's more or less reached his limits at the Cell Game and his utter shock at the boys power concerns me about his chance against them. I think Future Trunks still takes him after 7 years of training.

[Saiga]

Yeah, I think Trunks would defeat Piccolo easily. I don't think Piccolo would have improved much over the years, to still be weaker than Kaioshin.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Trunks takes this.

[Kaboom]

I too agree that Piccolo wasn't very far behind Vegeta or Trunks at the Cell Games. 7 years of even moderate training later, and Piccolo would have shrunk the gap even further. I think Trunks might still have a small power advantage, but Piccolo being the more skilled, intelligent, and confident fighter would make it a 50/50 thing.

[hleV]

And Base Vegetto can't be that far ahead of Gohan Boo, if at all, since he immediately went SSJ after being born.

Vegetto only realized how strong he is after making Boo look like a fool. For all we know, he may be millions of times stronger than Gohan Boo in base form (I'm not claiming he is).

[Mjb1985]

Kaboom do you have Piccolo on par with 50% Goku at the Cell Games?

And regarding Base Vegetto , generally anywhere below Buuhan to only a small margin superior should be a good range for him. I wouldn't go with making him any stronger than he was for his anime fight. But some people do.

[Kaboom]

Kaboom do you have Piccolo on par with 50% Goku at the Cell Games?

Not sure; I think he is on-par or just a little behind it while Vegeta and Trunks are a little ahead of it.

[Mjb1985]

Gotcha. Yea that's where I generally place him as well.