While art look really beautiful, I'm sorry, Salagir say he doesn`t like GT, yet he keep including inconsistent stuff like here, surprise attack or not, Future Gohan with power around Freeza Saga SSJ Goku shouldn`t be able to kiai Super Perfect Cell level Dabura away!
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I don't mind if Gohan surprises Dabra for a moment like this since he's been doing that with villains ever since he was a kid. But if he manages to just brute force the entire fight without some kind of tactical gambit then that's just ridiculous.
Yeah, I don't mind if Gohan is able to kick away Pui Pui with ease (cuz he probably could), and even get the drop on Dabura - but actually being able to keep fighting well against Dabura...yeah...
No matter what though, I'm predicting that Boo himself doesn't get revived in this storyline.
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Same here Gyt. I always viewed Pui Pui as a weakling anyway but Dabra?! Yeah, sorry Mirai Gohan. He's a little out of your league. And by a little, I mean immensely.
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Kaboom wrote:Meanwhile, in another alternate universe, Saiyan-arc Yamcha is putting up an admirable fight against Captain Ginyu...
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More like SPC level, since the Daizenshuu said Gohan was a SS2.
Anyway, like I said, bullshit.
Meanwhile, in another alternate universe, Saiyan-arc Yamcha is putting up an admirable fight against Captain Ginyu...
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
RandomGuy96 wrote:More like SPC level, since the Daizenshuu said Gohan was a SS2.
Anyway, like I said, bullshit.
Meanwhile, in another alternate universe, Saiyan-arc Yamcha is putting up an admirable fight against Captain Ginyu...
The Daizenshuus also state Gohan was a Ssj somewhere so that is a direct contradiction. I just assume it's a typo. Besides the manga blatantly sets up Gohan up as a Ssj. In the manga, no sparks = no Ssj2
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Salagar likes to give Dbgt crap? I'm sorry but he is 10x worse, I been biting my tongue for a long time but after seeing this, this just confirms it. Salagar cannot write Dragonball related stuff correctly, even more inconsistent then Dbgt and the only good he has got going for him is the artwork. Future Ssj Gohan before he lost his arm is ACTUALLY able to push back Dabura and may actually be able to fight back? The look on Dabura face says it all, he is very surprised and was blown back. Even Yakon is stronger then this Gohan what the hell. This almost makes me want to give up, if Gohan can actually manage to fight back agaisnt Dabura, I'm calling biggest bullshit ever. I keep hoping it would get better because it had a very interesting introduction but seriously wtf?
I know this is a fan manga but this is utterly ridicules.
Godo wrote:There is a huuuuuge gap between normal SSJ and MSSJ either way, no no matter which level Dabra is at, Gohan should be crushed.
SSJ and MSSJ are the same thing. Only difference is that MSSJ has no strain or need for conserving Ki. Multiplier for both is 50x base.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Salagar likes to give Dbgt crap? I'm sorry but he is 10x worse, I been biting my tongue for a long time but after seeing this, this just confirms it. Salagar cannot write Dragonball related stuff correctly, even more inconsistent then Dbgt and the only good he has got going for him is the artwork. Future Ssj Gohan before he lost his arm is ACTUALLY able to push back Dabura and may actually be able to fight back? The look on Dabura face says it all, he is very surprised and was blown back. Even Yakon is stronger then this Gohan what the hell. This almost makes me want to give up, if Gohan can actually manage to fight back agaisnt Dabura, I'm calling biggest bullshit ever. I keep hoping it would get better because it had a very interesting introduction but seriously wtf?
I know this is a fan manga but this is utterly ridicules.
No man you don't get it Future Gohan >>> SPC is undeniable canon just like Broly (maximum) >>> SS Vegetto.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Salagar likes to give Dbgt crap? I'm sorry but he is 10x worse, I been biting my tongue for a long time but after seeing this, this just confirms it. Salagar cannot write Dragonball related stuff correctly, even more inconsistent then Dbgt and the only good he has got going for him is the artwork. Future Ssj Gohan before he lost his arm is ACTUALLY able to push back Dabura and may actually be able to fight back? The look on Dabura face says it all, he is very surprised and was blown back. Even Yakon is stronger then this Gohan what the hell. This almost makes me want to give up, if Gohan can actually manage to fight back agaisnt Dabura, I'm calling biggest bullshit ever. I keep hoping it would get better because it had a very interesting introduction but seriously wtf?
I know this is a fan manga but this is utterly ridicules.
No man you don't get it Future Gohan >>> SPC is undeniable canon just like Broly (maximum) >>> SS Vegetto.
We already did this in the Boo saga info thread.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
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