Do we really need new a Dragon Ball series?

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Do we really need new a Dragon Ball series?

Post by Majin Buu » Sat May 11, 2013 11:25 am

All of the constant rumors of a new Dragon Ball series and seeing how hopeful many fans get when they hear these rumors has gotten me thinking: Do we really need new a new Dragon Ball series? I know this may sound like blasphemy coming from a Dragon Ball fan, and I know a lot of Dragon Ball fans want a new series, but I'm of the opinion that a series shouldn't stick around for too long, lest it start to become old, stale, and desperate for material (look at The Simpsons, how many reused storylines and ridiculous premises has it resorted to in its 20+ year history? Too many to count).

Hell, look at the Buu arc. I love the Buu arc, but a good size of the fandom is of the opinion that the series began to suck around that point, in part due to being around for so long that it started to become stale. And lets look at GT. That was effectively a new Dragon Ball series, and it tanked. Now it's generally agreed on that GT tanked largely due to its mostly awful execution, but when you think about it, GT wasn't all that different from what came before it in terms of how things generally play out. In fact, you could argue that it was the series taken to its logical conclusion: Goku is the strongest, so he ends up being the only character that can ever do anything (and please don't bother mentioning technicalities like "Gohan was stronger than him at the end of Z" because it's ultimately moot. The general sentiment throughout the series as a whole is that Goku is the strongest). Would better execution of its material really have saved it from its premature death?

So I ask: Would a new Dragon Ball series really be such a great thing at this point? Is there really enough left that can be done with the franchise in terms of new material that it warrants a new, ongoing series?
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Re: Do we really need new a Dragon Ball series?

Post by Ryuji-Otogi » Sat May 11, 2013 11:31 am

I agree. We've already got some 600 episodes, like twenty movies, and four TV series. I think the occasional new movie or special is enough to keep Dragon Ball alive. Not to mention the video games, the full-color manga, etc.

I can see a full-fledged remake over the course of the next 10 years or something. An all-encompassing series that animates DB to DBZ with no filler and new animation. I think Kai put a delay on that though.
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Re: Do we really need new a Dragon Ball series?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat May 11, 2013 11:33 am

I'd like a sequel movie to BoG where Vegeta gets SSJ God and he teams up with Goku after training so long for a rematch with Beers and Whis where they come out on top but that's really about it. A sequel series is likely going to tank like GT did. If Toriyama was actually behind a new series there might be some stock I would put into a new series but even then this series has nearly been milked to death and I don't see a Zenkai for this series.
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Re: Do we really need new a Dragon Ball series?

Post by dbboxkaifan » Sat May 11, 2013 11:43 am

Ryuji-Otogi wrote:I agree. We've already got some 600 episodes, like twenty movies, and four TV series. I think the occasional new movie or special is enough to keep Dragon Ball alive. Not to mention the video games, the full-color manga, etc.

I can see a full-fledged remake over the course of the next 10 years or something. An all-encompassing series that animates DB to DBZ with no filler and new animation. I think Kai put a delay on that though.
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Counting the Films, TV-Specials and OVAs all as one is just inconsistent and incorrect.

Crossovers may count as TV-Specials but I just went with DB-only content in this list, that I can remember. Dragon Ball Evolution could be under the 5th film of Dragon Ball, but just no.
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Re: Do we really need new a Dragon Ball series?

Post by dbzfan7 » Sat May 11, 2013 11:47 am

Do we need a new series no. Do I want one, depends.

If Toriyama is part of it then yes. But it doesn't have to be 291 episodes. I kinda want a spin off from BoGs or a new special or movie that takes place after it. I also want Gohan and Vegeta to get SSJG and have Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta team up against a powerful foe.
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Re: Do we really need new a Dragon Ball series?

Post by Ryuji-Otogi » Sat May 11, 2013 12:36 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:
Ryuji-Otogi wrote:I agree. We've already got some 600 episodes, like twenty movies, and four TV series. I think the occasional new movie or special is enough to keep Dragon Ball alive. Not to mention the video games, the full-color manga, etc.

I can see a full-fledged remake over the course of the next 10 years or something. An all-encompassing series that animates DB to DBZ with no filler and new animation. I think Kai put a delay on that though.
DB Series: 153
DB Films: 4
DB TV-Specials: 2

DBZ Series: 291
DBZ Films: 14 (including the new DBZ film)
DBZ TV-Specials: 2
DBZ OVAs: 4

DBGT Series: 64
DBGT TV-Specials: 1

Counting the Films, TV-Specials and OVAs all as one is just inconsistent and incorrect.

Crossovers may count as TV-Specials but I just went with DB-only content in this list, that I can remember. Dragon Ball Evolution could be under the 5th film of Dragon Ball, but just no.
:| I know all that man. I was just speaking generally and being concise. I could have posted a big list like you did or a run-on sentence to get my point across but my one-liner did the same thing. Not like I confused anyone here.

Anyway. If they were to do a sequel series I would like to see that Majin Boo/Mr. Satan spinoff that Toriyama's talked about. We don't need a show with monstrously overpowered villains and silly things like SSJ5.

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Re: Do we really need new a Dragon Ball series?

Post by SSJJezter » Sat May 11, 2013 1:18 pm

I remember someone saying about a spin-off following Oob, Pan, Trunks and Goten, which I would be open to, although this has been pretty much run over by GT. Otherwise I agree, the series has been taken as far as it can go.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat May 11, 2013 1:52 pm

Dude a spin off with Uub, Goten, Trunks and Pan would be like the best thing ever! Uub would be like the Gohan of the series, Pan would be the Vegeta, Trunks would be the Piccolo, and Goten would be the Goku :lol: .
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Post by SSJJezter » Sat May 11, 2013 2:39 pm

Haha yeah something like that would definately be interesting and refreshing, unlike just trying to squeeze something new from the same old formula.

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Re: Do we really need new a Dragon Ball series?

Post by Dorexx » Sat May 11, 2013 2:45 pm

The answer to this question is that it depends on the series. Would it be a continuation of where the story left off? Would it be set at a different point in time? Then it would depend on what the story is about: the typical shonen style of advancing/becoming stronger by overcoming a threat or challenge? Or maybe just an adventure without too much focus on fighting? (that would be like mana from heaven) Maybe a more simple, non-action theme like friendship, even romance. (this too)

I believe in all the cases there's a potential for a good new series, but the least I'd rather see right now is a continuation of where the story left off that's about more fighting and powering up. This one would be the hardest to get done right too, so chances are it wouldn't be that good.
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Post by elyas11 » Sat May 11, 2013 3:15 pm

I personally don't think we need one, but I would like one. Only like a saga. Like 20-40 episodes something. Like some said, a spin-off to BoG where in the end Goku does defeat Bills or something.
But ONLY if Toriyama is involved. Otherwise I'm not sure I would want it. I would watch it anyway, but like it? That's questionable.

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Re: Do we really need new a Dragon Ball series?

Post by bleed0range » Sat May 11, 2013 3:27 pm

I think it would be funny to see a series with goku as an old guy ala toriyamas drawing of him old... training someone new to take his place. Despite his appearance he would still be insanely strong and it could have him somewhat handicapped by his old age so even sometimes he would fail. It could start like db and have him fight at the worlds martial arts tournament and from there go into who knows where. Maybe it could be more humorous like db was.. I'd find that series interesting.

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Post by Insertclevername » Sat May 11, 2013 3:38 pm

Yes, I'd like a new series. Though, I don't know if it'd be as competent as the last series were.
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Re: Do we really need new a Dragon Ball series?

Post by Bussani » Sat May 11, 2013 4:34 pm

Do we need one? No. Would it hurt the franchise if one was made anyway? I don't think so. Even if a terribly new series was made, it would never spoil my enjoyment of the original, so the way I see it, we have nothing to lose; we'd either get a bad series that everyone would disregard and forget about, or we'd get something worthwhile.
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Re: Do we really need new a Dragon Ball series?

Post by Chuquita » Sat May 11, 2013 4:55 pm

Depends on when it's set and who it follows. I personally would like it to pick up where BOG left off (Though I would not be opposed to a series that takes place in-between db and z.) if they were to continue, but I've seen how Toei drags OP's anime sometimes so I dunno, a sequel would be better than a series imo.

I know it would need to be the current cast though. DB is one of the shows I follow for the characters rather than the world. I know I would skip it if they rebooted the cast.
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Post by DonZ » Sat May 11, 2013 5:56 pm

a couple of movies will be good, if Toriyama been pushed to continue the series, it will go downhill. just like what happend with Majin Boo Arc, it felt completly pointless (i like it btw). it was pretty obvious that he was planning to finish the series at the end of Cell arc. everything was obvious, even the point of Goku's death was meant for Gohan to be the new hero of the earth, but with the Majin Boo arc it seem pretty pointless.

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Post by DBZ Mick » Sat May 11, 2013 7:18 pm

I'd like a tetralogy of movies with BoG being the first which all still ultimately lead to Goku flying with Oob- but hopefully we'll see it in a different light. No new series.
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Re: Do we really need new a Dragon Ball series?

Post by Zenkai » Sat May 11, 2013 7:53 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:
DB Series: 153
DB Films: 4
DB TV-Specials: 2

DBZ Series: 291
DBZ Films: 14 (including the new DBZ film)
DBZ TV-Specials: 2
DBZ OVAs: 4

DBGT Series: 64
DBGT TV-Specials: 1

Counting the Films, TV-Specials and OVAs all as one is just inconsistent and incorrect.

Crossovers may count as TV-Specials but I just went with DB-only content in this list, that I can remember. Dragon Ball Evolution could be under the 5th film of Dragon Ball, but just no.
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Re: Do we really need new a Dragon Ball series?

Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Sat May 11, 2013 9:23 pm

Zenkai wrote:
dbboxkaifan wrote:
DB Series: 153
DB Films: 4
DB TV-Specials: 2

DBZ Series: 291
DBZ Films: 14 (including the new DBZ film)
DBZ TV-Specials: 2
DBZ OVAs: 4

DBGT Series: 64
DBGT TV-Specials: 1

Counting the Films, TV-Specials and OVAs all as one is just inconsistent and incorrect.

Crossovers may count as TV-Specials but I just went with DB-only content in this list, that I can remember. Dragon Ball Evolution could be under the 5th film of Dragon Ball, but just no.
Did I miss something?
No, you didn't miss anything. They're not really TV specials. They're more like educational films for young children that used the DragonBall characters. One deals with fire safety and the other is about traffic safety. They were only like 10 to 15 minutes long.

Also, to be technical, DBZ had four TV specials. Only two of them added more to the series, the other two were more like recaps of the series. You can read about that stuff in the movie guide on this very site!

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Re: Do we really need new a Dragon Ball series?

Post by JulieYBM » Sat May 11, 2013 9:32 pm

I don't think it will hurt, especially if Toei didn't mess up and give the series a bad staff and budget. It sure as Hell wouldn't hurt to give us something like Hagane no Renkinjutsushi: Fullmetal Alchemist.
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