Base Saiyans and Freeza

[RandomGuy96]

Enraged SS2 Gohan was above Super Perfect Cell, and I just kinda figure that Cell gets the same boost as a normal Super Saiyan does when he goes Super Saiyan 2, mostly because of the lightning.

[dbzfan7]

Enraged SS2 Gohan was above Super Perfect Cell, and I just kinda figure that Cell gets the same boost as a normal Super Saiyan does when he goes Super Saiyan 2, mostly because of the lightning.

I thought of that as well but Goku says Gohan's only shot at winning is to go SSJ2. Zenkai's work in mysterious ways as well. Sometimes its big, small, or in Gohan's case against Bootenks nothing.

Also lets put this in another thread as this has nothing to do with the topic.

[Draken]

Enraged SS2 Gohan was above Super Perfect Cell, and I just kinda figure that Cell gets the same boost as a normal Super Saiyan does when he goes Super Saiyan 2, mostly because of the lightning.

I thought of that as well but Goku says Gohan's only shot at winning is to go SSJ2. Zenkai's work in mysterious ways as well. Sometimes its big, small, or in Gohan's case against Bootenks nothing.

Also lets put this in another thread as this has nothing to do with the topic.

I don't recall Goku every saying that, he didn't even really know SSJ2 existed, he thought that was just Gohan's anger/potential.

I agree with MJB, AT discarded power levels for a reason.

[dbzfan7]

I don't recall Goku every saying that, he didn't even really know SSJ2 existed, he thought that was just Gohan's anger/potential.

It may have been anime only. I like to think that SSJ2 moment shown in the anime is canon. It shows why Goku would be so confident to place his trust in Gohan if he saw Gohan power up like that. Also Goku is the only not in awe of Gohan's new SSJ form. You would think he would be amazed seeing something beyond a regular rage boost, but he is not in awe at all.

[Draken]

I don't recall Goku every saying that, he didn't even really know SSJ2 existed, he thought that was just Gohan's anger/potential.

It may have been anime only. I like to think that SSJ2 moment shown in the anime is canon. It shows why Goku would be so confident to place his trust in Gohan if he saw Gohan power up like that. Also Goku is the only not in awe of Gohan's new SSJ form. You would think he would be amazed seeing something beyond a regular rage boost, but he is not in awe at all.

He expected Gohan to have enormous hidden power and would be able to bring it out. I don't really count anime only moments as canon.

[dbzfan7]

I don't recall Goku every saying that, he didn't even really know SSJ2 existed, he thought that was just Gohan's anger/potential.

It may have been anime only. I like to think that SSJ2 moment shown in the anime is canon. It shows why Goku would be so confident to place his trust in Gohan if he saw Gohan power up like that. Also Goku is the only not in awe of Gohan's new SSJ form. You would think he would be amazed seeing something beyond a regular rage boost, but he is not in awe at all.

He expected Gohan to have enormous hidden power and would be able to bring it out. I don't really count anime only moments as canon.

I usually don't either, but Goku is still not even surprised at a whole new Super Saiyan form. I like to think he had a glimpse of Gohan's SSJ2 form so his reason for using Gohan is more justified. Rage boosts also have failed on multiple occasions. Rage boosts are also brief and last for only short little while. I like to think the anime showed why Goku wanted use Gohan. Think about it. Counting on a rage boost which usually lasts for 1 minute isn't a good idea. That is how long at most Gohan has a rage boost. Unless you think Goku believes a 1 minute rage boost is enough. Gohan has never held a rage boost for more than 1 minute.

[Draken]

Well seeing as they thought it was just an Ascended Saiyan for like, forever and AT himself could barely tell apart SSJ2 from SSJ1, I usually like to think of it as Goku going "attaboy, get mad and lose control of yourself!" like the father of the year he always is.

[hleV]

Goku had no idea about SS2, he was expecting Gohan to just snap and get a power boost. Which he did, but transformed on top of that.

[dbzfan7]

Well seeing as they thought it was just an Ascended Saiyan for like, forever and AT himself could barely tell apart SSJ2 from SSJ1, I usually like to think of it as Goku going "attaboy, get mad and lose control of yourself!" like the father of the year he always is.

I'll pose the question again. His rage boosts barely last a minute. Is Goku really going to count on a 1 minute rage boost to save the day? Every time Gohan got angry his power only skyrockets for 1 minute and then plummets. I believe Goku had to have seen SSJ2 beforehand to truly put his faith in Gohan. It's really my theory and not fact. I believe in it because Goku knows Gohan's rage boosts are short. I can't see Goku putting his faith into a 1 minute rage boost which if Gohan doesn't kill him in that time, will then get killed.

Goku had no idea about SS2, he was expecting Gohan to just snap and get a power boost. Which Gohan did, but he transformed on top of that.

And they last for 1 minute. Goku putting his faith into a one minute rage boost is silly. He is also not even surprised at a new Super Saiyan form while everyone else is.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Goku tells Piccolo and the others that Gohan's "sleeping powers were beginning to awaken" in the rosat, which actually makes the filler scene more believable. And once Gohan thrashes the first Cell Jr, Goku says "Ha. I knew it", as if he was aware Gohan's power would be as destructive as it appeared to be. So I'm okay with Goku getting a glimpse of Super Saiyan 2 Gohan during the training and believing that level of power was what he was focused on fully bringing out.

[dbzfan7]

Goku tells Piccolo and the others that Gohan's "sleeping powers were beginning to awaken" in the rosat, which actually makes the filler scene more believable. And once Gohan thrashes the first Cell Jr, Goku says "Ha. I knew it", as if he was aware Gohan's power would be as destructive as it appeared to be. So I'm okay with Goku getting a glimpse of Super Saiyan 2 Gohan during the training and believing that level of power was what he was focused on fully bringing out.

Not only that but a rage boost only lasts a minute. I think Goku would have had a glimpse of SSJ2 so he could count on Gohan. A 1 minute rage boost isn't enough for Cell who can regenerate. Gohan would have had to obliterate all his Cell's in 1 minute. How would Goku know Gohan would be able to kill Cell if a rage boost lasts one minute. I think he knew Gohan would achieve SSJ2 so he would have no problem killing Cell.

[Mjb1985]

Yea there's quite a lot of anime filler that really works with the manga

[Draken]

Gohan : GOHAN IS MAD
GOHAN SMASH
*cell gets knocked into ground
GOHAN KAMEHAMEHA
*cell obliterated

Over in a minute.

LOL.

[Kamiccolo9]

My general view on filler is to count it as long as it doesn't contradict the manga. So I'm all for Gohan's training in the Saiyan Arc, the Driving Episode,.....Namek Arc filler ..., and the Otherworld Tournament (because it's really cool ). And I also see no problem with Gohan's short SSJ2 transformation in the Room of Space and Time. I understand that some people don't like to include it though.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I really would've liked to have seen a battle between Gohan and Super Perfect Cell. Gohan was stronger, but seeing Cell actually fight with all that new power would've been better than just seeing it used for a beam struggle.

[Kamiccolo9]

I really would've liked to have seen a battle between Gohan and Super Perfect Cell. Gohan was stronger, but seeing Cell actually fight with all that new power would've been better than just seeing it used for a beam struggle.

I'm kinda surprised the anime didn't do that. They dragged out the Freeza and Pure Buu fights, but the one fight that would have been improved by adding more stuff was left virtually untouched.

[RandomGuy96]

Budokai 1 > official canon.

And what are you talking about? Of course they modified the fight- the beam struggle now lasts an entire episode.

[Kamiccolo9]

Budokai 1 > official canon.

And what are you talking about? Of course they modified the fight- the beam struggle now lasts an entire episode.

Well, I meant the fight between Gohan and Cell. Other than the Earthlings and Piccolo helping out (which I really liked) they didn't really add anything new. Just stretched out what was already there. It would have been nice to see Gohan and Cell go at it briefly before Vegeta jumped in.

[RandomGuy96]

I was joking.

[Kamiccolo9]

I was joking.

My mistake. Long day.