Fan Works Explosion

[Rocketman]

SSG is exactly the kind of miscolored crap that you people would've mocked if it was uploaded on deviantart as SUPER SAIJN 11!!

[dbzfan7]

SSG is exactly the kind of miscolored crap that you people would've mocked if it was uploaded on deviantart as SUPER SAIJN 11!!

Don't make fun of that form. SUPER SAIJN 11 is my favourite.

[hleV]

I like how people decide to ignore the fact that SSG is not unique AT ALL just because for some reason they like it. Look at it from someone else's point of view, perhaps your friend who's not into DB. Would KK, FSS and SSG not look alike to them?

Not to mention that both KK and FSS look better than SSG, 'cuz SSG is just a skinny red-colored base Goku.

On one side you got Kaioken, the worst "transformation" if one may call it that way which is just a full-body recolor with yucky red (except in the full-color manga where they somehow managed to "save" it a little).

Yucky red? Really?



It's 100 times better than SSG.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

I like Kaioken but I prefer SSJG, it's got a bit more to it than just a red base Goku. Noticeable difference are the big ass pupils, the pupils change colour, the Iris is visible, the form slims the user down, it's got magneta hair and an awesome flame like aura.

Edit: The eyes are like Gohans (post power-up) too.

[TheMightyOzaru]

It is unique though. It completely brakes the Saiyan tradition of the more hair you have the stronger you are. Plus it takes the plain look of the Gods shown in this movie and applies it to Goku. It's way better than some over the top transformation. Toriyama was specifically behind SSJ God just so you know. Here is what he said:
"As for the design, I made it by taking Super Saiyan, which I’d made flashy up through “3″, and paring it down to the absolute limit."
He wanted it to be plain to be unique and no people would have to fairly blind to not see the differences between SSJ God and FSSJ. Even Kaioken is rather hard to compare since all Kaioken does is turn your body more or less red. SSJ God makes the user skinny, have red hair, red eyes, and a super flashy orange flame-like aura. You have to look at this form a Dragon Ball point of view, the strongest form in the universe being fairly plain is completely unique. Seriously how do any of these look alike

[Gyt Kaliba]

Geez, this form is turning into another fandom split pretty quickly...

I'm kind of in the middle ground myself. I don't know what I expected Super Saiyan God to look like, but it certainly isn't what we got. It's hard for me to imagine what I thought the form was going to look like (it wasn't the golden SS4 ideas though, that's for sure), but a trimmed down more basic look that's more akin to the Saiyan's natural form? I'd never have guessed that.

And that is the part about the form that I do like I admit. It's kind of cool to see Goku at an insanely strong level in his 'base' form practically, somewhat akin to Gohan in his 'Ultimate' state.

Overall though, it's how Super Saiyan God is 'made' that bothers me, more so than what it looks like. The whole ritual thing still feels a little...fanficcy.

[Insertclevername]

Geez, this form is turning into another fandom split pretty quickly...

I think the problem is more that we can't express our preferences without being snarky and condescending to each other.


Here's a nice drawing by Announcer Guy~

[Godo]

Eh, IMO SSJG is pretty much Kaiô-ken with a golden aura. Not that it makes it bad because of that, but people are really trying to oversell it's originality.

I mean, SSJ2 is, apart from the sparks and the wilder look, not much original either (compared to the SSJ1), but I don't see fans trying to defend that.
And SSJ3 is more like remove all the hair on the face and apply it to the head. And, oh, just make the hair even longer this time.

SSJG is not that original in it's design, although the way of obtaining the power may be...original...well at least to each to his own.
But I guess what some fans wanted was a SSJ4 type of deal?

[TheMightyOzaru]

It's pretty original viewing from the perspective of the other Super Saiyan forms. Again try and compare Kaioken and Ssj God, they are nothing alike. Does Kaioken have red hair? No. Does Kaioken have red eyes? No. Does Kaioken make the user skinny? No. Does Kaioken have an orange flame-like aura? No. I took all the defining features of Ssj God and none of them match Kaioken. I'll admit, I would have preferred it if Ssj God had Ssj Goku's hair style but the form isn't bad.

[Zephyr]

I think the form's appearance makes sense, given the way it's achieved. It's Goku, supercharged, to the max, with energy from other Saiyans. So he looks like a really supercharged Goku.

SSj4's appearance makes sense given the way that it is achieved. It's combining SSj with the Oozaru. The fur and more savage look are fitting.

What would make less sense would be getting the primal, oozaru-esque, look just from using the other Saiyans as batteries.


Also note that this is Super Saiyan God. The fact that it has a godly ki illustrates that it is related in one way or another to godliness. Kaioken was invented by a god, so it is also related to godliness (granted, it doesn't grant the user godly ki). They're both related to godliness, so it makes sense to me that they would share some similarities. I don't see a problem with those similarities being the redness, and the lack of alterations to the hair shape.

So yeah, it's lazy design, but the lazy design can be made sense of from an in-universe perspective, if you so choose.

[Godo]

It's pretty original viewing from the perspective of the other Super Saiyan forms. Again try and compare Kaioken and Ssj God, they are nothing alike. Does Kaioken have red hair? No. Does Kaioken have red eyes? No. Does Kaioken make the user skinny? No. Does Kaioken have an orange flame-like aura? No. I took all the defining features of Ssj God and none of them match Kaioken. I'll admit, I would have preferred it if Ssj God had Ssj Goku's hair style but the form isn't bad.

Or you could make it stay simple and say that they took the Kaio-ken, gave it a gold aura and added red eyes, and made Goku skinny.
A redesign of the Kaio-ken, simply, relabeled as a new form.

[TheMightyOzaru]

It's pretty original viewing from the perspective of the other Super Saiyan forms. Again try and compare Kaioken and Ssj God, they are nothing alike. Does Kaioken have red hair? No. Does Kaioken have red eyes? No. Does Kaioken make the user skinny? No. Does Kaioken have an orange flame-like aura? No. I took all the defining features of Ssj God and none of them match Kaioken. I'll admit, I would have preferred it if Ssj God had Ssj Goku's hair style but the form isn't bad.

Or you could make it stay simple and say that they took the Kaio-ken, gave it a gold aura and added red eyes, and made Goku skinny.
A redesign of the Kaio-ken, simply, relabeled as a new form.

You just described something completely different from the form you are comparing it to.... Seriously where the heck are you going with this ?

[hleV]

Does Kaioken have red hair?

Yes (manga).

Does Kaioken have red eyes?

Yes (manga).

Does Kaioken make the user skinny?

No, that's why Kaio-ken is cooler.

Does Kaioken have an orange flame-like aura?

In the manga, the aura is white for mostly anyone. In the anime, auras vary so much that a flame-like aura is nothing special.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Kaio-ken is only completely red in 2 chapters of the manga, before and after that it appeared to have black hair. Though it always has clear eyes in the manga (black & white) which could actually be red.

[hleV]

Show me a single colored manga page (full or limited palette) where Goku has black hair while using KK.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

But even the picture you posted when in black & white looks completely different than any other Kaio-ken shown. It could be because the page with the different looking Kaio-ken is in grayscale (I think that's a thing ). There's the new full colour manga which has a black haired Kaio-ken. To be fair even the black & white pages of the manga make the Kaio-ken look like it's got a hint of another colour (obviously red) in it sometimes, but then it can also look like a solid black. I've always put the hair down to the aura though.

[Godo]

You just described something completely different from the form you are comparing it to.... Seriously where the heck are you going with this ?

That it's clear that the forms are very similar. SSJG is not very unique. At least as unique that you try to make it to be.
Just the fact that so many fans associate it with having many similarities to Kaio-ken just shows it.

What you are saying is that Broly's green/blue SSJ form (prior to transforming into LSSJ) is both unique, and a whole new transformation, having no similarities to the SSJ.

Just because of that you change the rims of a car, it doesn't make it into a whole new car.

[hleV]

But even the picture you posted when in black & white looks completely different than any other Kaio-ken shown.

I don't see why would you consider black and white pages as proof for anything here. If AT drew hair black and eyes white, that can mean that eyes are just brighter than hair, or it's just an artistic choice of colors to make things look cooler in black and white (because that's not an issue in color pages).

There's the new full colour manga which has a black haired Kaio-ken.

There's a drawing of mine which has red-haired KK. xD

[TheMightyOzaru]

Does Kaioken have red hair?

Yes (manga).

Does Kaioken have red eyes?

Yes (manga).

Does Kaioken make the user skinny?

No, that's why Kaio-ken is cooler.

Does Kaioken have an orange flame-like aura?

In the manga, the aura is white for mostly anyone. In the anime, auras vary so much that a flame-like aura is nothing special.

No, Kaioken does not have red hair and red eyes. Kaioken is a red aura, that is all .

You just described something completely different from the form you are comparing it to.... Seriously where the heck are you going with this ?

That it's clear that the forms are very similar....

If they are so similar, how come they share no similar qualities? Seriously this is just so funny to me, people bouncing up and down yelling it's Kaioken 2.0 yet they share nothing. Kaioken is a red aura, that is all it is. You stating they took Kaioken and changed everything about it kinda means it's not Kaioken anymore and therefore is nothing like it.

Show me a single colored manga page (full or limited palette) where Goku has black hair while using KK.

Kaioken is a red aura! his hair does not change color.

[dbzfan7]

Does Kaioken have red hair?

Yes (manga).

Does Kaioken have red eyes?

Yes (manga).

Does Kaioken make the user skinny?

No, that's why Kaio-ken is cooler.

Does Kaioken have an orange flame-like aura?

In the manga, the aura is white for mostly anyone. In the anime, auras vary so much that a flame-like aura is nothing special.

No, Kaioken does not have red hair and red eyes. Kaioken is a red aura, that is all .

You just described something completely different from the form you are comparing it to.... Seriously where the heck are you going with this ?

That it's clear that the forms are very similar....

If they are so similar, how come they share no similar qualities? Seriously this is just so funny to me, people bouncing up and down yelling it's Kaioken 2.0 yet they share nothing. Kaioken is a red aura, that is all it is. You stating they took Kaioken and changed everything about it kinda means it's not Kaioken anymore and therefore is nothing like it.

Show me a single colored manga page (full or limited palette) where Goku has black hair while using KK.

Kaioken is a red aura! his hair does not change color.

Pretty much. Its like how SSJ changes the color of Goku's gi. Its a darker orange while in SSJ it looks like a light orange even though its not. Kaioken only affected hair in the games if I recall.