Goku and SSJ God

[TheMightyOzaru]

Do you think he kept it? The ending really confuses me because he goes SSJ God but then loses it. He then figures out that he was using 95-99% of it in his SSJ form after he reverts from the God form. Then he transforms right back into SSJ God when absorbing Beers' attack. Did he merely absorb it's powers and now forever has them in his SSJ form or did he manage to go through a phase where he got 100% of it's power under his belt and is now capable of turning into that form at will without a 5 guy ritual?

[dbzfan7]

Do you think he kept it? The ending really confuses me because he goes SSJ God but then loses it. He then figures out that he was using 95-99% of it in his SSJ form after he reverts from the God form. Then he transforms right back into SSJ God when absorbing Beers' attack. Did he merely absorb it's powers and now forever has them in his SSJ form or did he manage to go through a phase where he got 100% of it's power under his belt and is now capable of turning into that form at will without a 5 guy ritual?

Find out possibly when Choezenshu 4 is translated.

I would think he kept the form and I believe by absorbing ki he can learn to extend its time.

[TheMightyOzaru]

If he got the form under his belt I don't think there is a time limit anymore.

[dbzfan7]

If he got the form under his belt I don't think there is a time limit anymore.

Maybe, but we haven't seen the movie, or the most likely updated info on SSJG in Choezenshu 4. Chances are it will be added into the special attack dictionary with a description.

[Hitiro]

If he got the form under his belt I don't think there is a time limit anymore.

Why wouldn't there be a time limit anymore? SSJ3 has a inherent time limit because it drains a large amount of the users energy. Perhaps SSJG is the same?

[TheMightyOzaru]

If he got the form under his belt I don't think there is a time limit anymore.

Why wouldn't there be a time limit anymore? SSJ3 has a inherent time limit because it drains a large amount of the users energy. Perhaps SSJG is the same?

SSJ God is an artificial god that runs out of time because it's creator(s) couldn't "program" it correctly. Goku might be able to negate that negative effect now that he has maybe mastered it. If you notice he was still using most of it's power even after the form had passed.

[Kaboom]

I wouldn't know until I get more detail, but it seems to me from reading the summary that once Goku lost the actual Super Saiyan God form, it took the energy from it time to dissipate and fade away. He did, after all, run out of power from fighting Beers. I think in order to step back into that out-of-this-world league of power again, he'd likewise have to get everyone together and perform the ritual again. At least I hope he would, otherwise the whole thing is just way too broken.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Goku goes straight SSJ God after being knocked out by Beers' attack at the, more or less, end of the film.

[Hitiro]

I wouldn't know until I get more detail, but it seems to me from reading the summary that once Goku lost the actual Super Saiyan God form, it took the energy from it time to dissipate and fade away. He did, after all, run out of power from fighting Beers. I think in order to step back into that out-of-this-world league of power again, he'd likewise have to get everyone together and perform the ritual again. At least I hope he would, otherwise the whole thing is just way too broken.

Is it broken? If we're talking in terms of the Saiyan race then its a very rare thing. Its not something attainable by the Saiyan's unless they are good and have the power to become SSJ's. In the grand scheme of things I wouldn't say the form is broken. It is very convenient but its something the race could never achieve very regularly considering their original nature. There are some pretty restricting requirements on obtaining the transformation like you have to have at least 5 Good Saiyan's to make another Saiyan take the transformation and they all need, at least, have the capacity to become a SSJ(Which I believe Pan would have when she is born). And Birus believes that Goku and Vegeta should naturally reach that level of power anyway.

[MDSTSSJ]

Mmm I think he kept the form because he was able to transform again ( without the ritual ) to absorb Birusu giant attack.

Maybe he needs a rage moment or almost die moment to transform again. Maybe the SSJG transformation can be mastered.

[dbzfan7]

Mmm I think he kept the form because he was able to transform again ( without the ritual ) to absorb Birusu giant attack.

Maybe he needs a rage moment or almost die moment to transform again. Maybe the SSJG transformation can be mastered.

I though it was because he absorbed the ki in Birusu's attack. Maybe he can do it for all ki attacks or only godly ones.

[Chuquita]

Having not seen the movie (yet), but having read the summary, I think he keeps the ssjg power-up.
This quote from the newest version of the summary makes me think it is, for now, something he keeps but might not yet be able to fully control since it's such a different type of power-up than what Goku's used to.

As Goku struggles against Beerus’s energy ball, Beerus tells Goku that Super Saiyan God’s time limit ran out a long time ago. Goku apparently did not notice, because as he fought he absorbed that realm of power into his body. Due to this, even after returning to normal, Goku still did not power down very much. Beerus says that Goku is really something, a rare genius. Now he should be able to be perfectly happy, since this is what he wanted. Goku says he is not though, since there is still such a gap in their powers. In that case, Beerus thinks he should just give up. Beerus’s energy ball threatens to destroy the Earth, but as his friends and family cheer him on, Goku momentarily becomes Super Saiyan God once again, and repels the attack. Impressed, Beerus asks Goku what he did, but Goku does not know.

It's difficult for me to fully understand without watching the actual scene though. As with other stuff, this could (or could not) change for me after having seen the movie.

[Flame Dragon]

Vegeta said "I will be the next SSJ God" at the end of the movie it wouldn't make that much sense for him to say that if the powerup is just temporary...

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

It seems like it's permanent to me, but I'm gonna need to watch the movie before I completely make up my mind.

[Hitiro]

Vegeta said "I will be the next SSJ God" at the end of the movie it wouldn't make that much sense for him to say that if the powerup is just temporary...

Why exactly? There are still Gohan, Trunks and Goten who have yet to become SSJ God's. How do you know Vegeta isn't saying "I will be the next SSJ God, not your sons or mine."? How do you know Vegeta isn't implying he'll be the next one to receive the permanent transformation(assuming its permanent)?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Well it's pretty clear that the form itself is very easily accessible at this point in time. I'd say everyone probably got it after the party just for shits and giggles .

[Kamiccolo9]

Well it's pretty clear that the form itself is very easily accessible at this point in time. I'd say everyone probably got it after the party just for shits and giggles .

And this is why I think the form is broken. Especially if it is permanent. It seems way to easy to obtain. Although I guess getting fetus!Pan to cooperate may prove difficult in the future.

[TheMightyOzaru]

It's the end of the series, they might as well let the guys have SSJ God. It's also not broken if there are people far superior to it. Whis is superior to Beers in general and he only used 70% of his power. There are also 11 other Gods of destruction, possibly with attendants like Whis, that might be a lot stronger than even them.

[Draken]

It's the end of the series, they might as well let the guys have SSJ God. It's also not broken if there are people far superior to it. Whis is superior to Beers in general and he only used 70% of his power. There are also 11 other Gods of destruction, possibly with attendants like Whis, that might be a lot stronger than even them.

Bringing other universes into this is hardly fair, or almost no one is broken in comics/manga loool.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

He didn't keep it. Years later, in the 28th TB, Goku believed that there was a chance that Oob would beat him, and he was expecting him to be as strong as Pure Boo. In GT, Goku & Vegeta were equals (not to mention that Goku can go Super Saiyan 2, 3, and even 4, but not Super Saiyan God), and in DBO, they even went to space to settle their rivalry, which means that their powers were close. If Goku had kept the Super Saiyan God power, he would be able to beat Oob and Vegeta (from any point of time) literally with just his finger. So yeah, when he transformed into a Super Saiyan God for a second time, the power went away completely.