Full color manga wasn't colored by AT, that's all there is to know, really. According to AT, KK aura is not red, unless proven otherwise. I honestly couldn't care less about how people other than AT envision DB colors.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Because the Full Color Edition is an official version of the manga by Shueisha, the main copyright holders of the whole franchise (next to Toriyama I think? Doesn't matter), which means that whatever they say, or Toriyama says, is a rule.hleV wrote:Doesn't make sense. Full color manga wasn't colored by AT, how can it define what's "real"?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:if the Kaio-ken is not fully colored in the original manga, then the colors from the Full Color release are the "real" ones.
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... But Kaio-ken has never been truly colored in the manga, right? Unless if you believe that Namekians are gray and Super Saiyan gives white hair.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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No, because everyone knows that SSJ1 and SSJ2 are very alike, apart from the sparks and spikier hair.dbzfan7 wrote:This has become a spite thread for SSJG? I wonder why SSJG gets shit while SSJ2 basically is the same as SSJ (except for Kid Gohan) but nobody cares.
But for some reason people think that SSJG is unique in its design, having no likeness to other forms, and that's what bothers me.
Regular SSJ, SSJ Grade 2, SSJ Grade 3 and FP SSJ have all different auras, but they are still the same form. That's a weak argument.TheMightyOzaru wrote: Hmm... Your fan art lacks a skinny body, the proper aura, the proper hair style, and the proper eyes. Yes you are out of your mind. Seriously I can't even begin to fathom how in the hell you think Fssj's aura looks anything remotely like Ssj God's.
Kaio-ken has "reddish" eyes. That's good enough for me. It's like saying that Gotenks isn't using SSJ3 because of that he doesn't have pupils like Goku does as a SSJ3. A little different eyes = a whole new form and design! Another weak argument.
The body gets skinnier...Ultimate Gohan gets skinnier compared to his SSJ form. Is SSJ God and the Ultimate form the same form in that case (since you seem to imply that this is pretty much exclusive to SSJG)?
SSJG is a rehash of Kaio-ken with a golden aura added.
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Kaio-ken makes the hair red only in limited colored palette, which is irrelevant. In the Full Color Edition of the manga and the anime, the hair only gain a red glow, while Super Saiyan God gives the hair a mangenta color. And as for the aura, the Super Saiyan God aura has a flaming color, instead of yellow/golden.
Super Saiyan God resemble Kaio-ken & False Super Saiyan at first glance, but if you actually pay attention to it, it's very different.
Super Saiyan God resemble Kaio-ken & False Super Saiyan at first glance, but if you actually pay attention to it, it's very different.
Actually, Gotenks does have pupils when he got absorbed in the manga, but Goku doesn't have ones during his fight with pure Boo. So, it seems that Toriyama occasionally forgot that Super Saiyan 3 had pupils.It's like saying that Gotenks isn't using SSJ3 because of that he doesn't have pupils like Goku does as a SSJ3.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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There's black color in the limited color palette. It's not used for KK hair/eyes. So it's not black.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... But Kaio-ken has never been truly colored in the manga, right? Unless if you believe that Namekians are gray and Super Saiyan gives white hair.
There's red color in the limited color palette. It's not used for KK aura. So it's not red.
If the limited color palette consists of certain colors, you can judge how certain things are or aren't colored (to an extent). I gave a perfect example above. Another example is Pure Evil Boo's skin color. There's a limited color page where most of Boo's forms are portrayed and Pure Evil Boo has the same skin color as every other version -- pink -- even though gray is part of that color palette. This suggests that the anime is wrong about Pure Evil Boo's skin color. And same goes for KK aura.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Kaio-ken makes the hair red only in limited colored palette, which is irrelevant.
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At most you can say its not completely red. Goku's body and clothes are red because of the aura, which is nothing more than the light and energy that he is emitting and is making him glow red. The outer layer of the aura does look like its transparent or white, but there is no doubt that the inner layer that immediately covers Goku's body and clothes is red.hleV wrote: There's red color in the limited color palette. It's not used for KK aura. So it's not red.
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And how do we know that Toriyama wasn't imagining Kaioken with golden hair and green aura? We know that the limited color pallet doesn't include green, and Toriyama has colored the Super Saiyan Saiyan Grade 3 hair red at one point when using limited color pallet. See why the limited colored pages shouldn't be taken seriously?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I'm sure he doesn't care, I still think that Gohan looks great though. SSJ God is awesome, despite what the haters say. Speaking of haters, what would you even have SSJ God look like hleV? I don't think you should criticize if you don't have an idea of what you wanted it to look like.
SSJ-SSJ3 is still just a gold aura that gets wilder. SSJ God has an orange aura that doesn't look anything like any previous auras. Seriously I still can't fathom how anyone can think SSJ God's aura looks anything like another SSJ aura. Kaioken has pink eyes, they are in no way red. They also lack pupils which actually does matter since they are pretty blatant as opposed to the pupils missing from SSJ3 on occasion. There is a pretty big contrast between SSJ God's eyes and Kaioken's eyes. Heck Kaioken's eyes are likely just reflecting the red light so they probably didn't even really change color. Ultimate Gohan's body doesn't get any skinnier than his SSJ form was. Plus that right there is a weak argument. First of all Ultimate Gohan IS base Gohan. SSJ God body size is quite a contrast from a normal SSJ or even base form as well. If SSJ God was all red I would say there is a similarity to be drawn with it and Kaioken but it's not. People get way too caught up in the fact that both forms are synonymous with red and don't bother looking at them side be side. Oh this new form has red hair so it looks exactly Kaioken! That is there argument and I gotta say it's a very weak one especially now with Goku's hair being more dark purple these days.Godo wrote:Regular SSJ, SSJ Grade 2, SSJ Grade 3 and FP SSJ have all different auras, but they are still the same form. That's a weak argument.
Kaio-ken has "reddish" eyes. That's good enough for me. It's like saying that Gotenks isn't using SSJ3 because of that he doesn't have pupils like Goku does as a SSJ3. A little different eyes = a whole new form and design! Another weak argument.
The body gets skinnier...Ultimate Gohan gets skinnier compared to his SSJ form. Is SSJ God and the Ultimate form the same form in that case (since you seem to imply that this is pretty much exclusive to SSJG)?
SSJG is a rehash of Kaio-ken with a golden aura added.
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I would never have made SSG because I'm not stupid.
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I don't see what's wrong with it. It's an artificial God created by the Saiyans. However whether you like the idea of the form or not is irreverent right now. How would you have made it look?Rocketman wrote:I would never have made SSG because I'm not stupid.
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He said he would not make it all. So he isn't going to tell you how he would make it look. His opinion is that he doesn't want the form at all no matter how it looks.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I don't see what's wrong with it. It's an artificial God created by the Saiyans. However whether you like the idea of the form or not is irreverent right now. How would you have made it look?Rocketman wrote:I would never have made SSG because I'm not stupid.
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He shouldn't be talking if he won't give any input.dbzfan7 wrote:He said he would not make it all. So he isn't going to tell you how he would make it look. His opinion is that he doesn't want the form at all no matter how it looks.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I don't see what's wrong with it. It's an artificial God created by the Saiyans. However whether you like the idea of the form or not is irreverent right now. How would you have made it look?Rocketman wrote:I would never have made SSG because I'm not stupid.
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Not true. Critiquing isn't a bad thing. People have opinions. The "then you do it better" excuse is not valid. If nobody said something is wrong, then nothing gets better. Some critiquing is mindless trolling while others are legit. Not everyone is going to like the god form and some want it to not exist. It's an opinion. Who says he knows how to improve things. Doesn't mean they can't be improved.TheMightyOzaru wrote:He shouldn't be talking if he won't give any input.
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Agreed with this. If I had to design SSG I'd make it shockingly bad on purpose.Rocketman wrote:I would never have made SSG because I'm not stupid.
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SSJG is cool and all, but nothing beats the awesomeness of the Kaioken!!
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Rocketman is like the ultimate troll. I like SSJG and I don't think it looks anything like any other form. My opinion.
And as much as I like it, I would've designed it differently as well. Make it more flashy, epic and so outstanding that no one would see it coming.
I mean, that's what I expected, but I actually could see the actual SSJG happen.
Nonetheless, I love the SSJG design so I don't need to tell anyone else to like it.
And as much as I like it, I would've designed it differently as well. Make it more flashy, epic and so outstanding that no one would see it coming.
I mean, that's what I expected, but I actually could see the actual SSJG happen.
Nonetheless, I love the SSJG design so I don't need to tell anyone else to like it.
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Great, so there's no proof that AT envisioned KK as red to begin with. For all we know, the red color in other version(s) of KK may just be based off the limited color palette.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:And how do we know that Toriyama wasn't imagining Kaioken with golden hair and green aura? We know that the limited color pallet doesn't include green, and Toriyama has colored the Super Saiyan Saiyan Grade 3 hair red at one point when using limited color pallet. See why the limited colored pages shouldn't be taken seriously?
You don't see what's wrong with an artificial God created by the Saiyans? I guess you're just... different.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I don't see what's wrong with it. It's an artificial God created by the Saiyans. However whether you like the idea of the form or not is irreverent right now. How would you have made it look?Rocketman wrote:I would never have made SSG because I'm not stupid.