Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

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Re: Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat May 18, 2013 1:51 am

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:Why do you like GT anyway? I like SSJ4 and some of the concepts but I feel the series itself fell flat.
It's part of the Dragon Ball story. How could I not like it?

I like the plot, the designs (especially the main villains and SSJ4), the music, the ending, etc.
Well it's an alternate timeline but part of Dragon Ball nonetheless I suppose.
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TheMightyOzaru wrote:Why do you like GT anyway? I like SSJ4 and some of the concepts but I feel the series itself fell flat.
Why do you dislike GT anyway? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I like GT for everything that was in it. I don't care if it's flawed. It's kind of hypocritical if you ask me, because DBZ is also flawed.
It's nowhere near as flawed.
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Re: Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

Post by Zenkai » Sat May 18, 2013 1:54 am

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Zenkai wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Why do you like GT anyway? I like SSJ4 and some of the concepts but I feel the series itself fell flat.
It's part of the Dragon Ball story. How could I not like it?

I like the plot, the designs (especially the main villains and SSJ4), the music, the ending, etc.
Well it's an alternate timeline but part of Dragon Ball nonetheless I suppose.
It's the same timeline. Z ends with Goku going to train Uub. GT begins with Goku finishing Uub's training.

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Re: Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

Post by Saiga » Sat May 18, 2013 1:54 am

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote: Why do you dislike GT anyway? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I like GT for everything that was in it. I don't care if it's flawed. It's kind of hypocritical if you ask me, because DBZ is also flawed.
What kind of logic is that? Everything has flaws, that doesn't make them equal. I like DBZ because the good parts outnumber and outweigh the flaws. I hate GT because it has more flaws than good parts.
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Re: Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

Post by Zenkai » Sat May 18, 2013 1:56 am

Saiga wrote:
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote: Why do you dislike GT anyway? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I like GT for everything that was in it. I don't care if it's flawed. It's kind of hypocritical if you ask me, because DBZ is also flawed.
I hate GT because it has more flaws than good parts.
<*cough, cough*> In your opinion. <*cough, cough*>

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Re: Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

Post by Saiga » Sat May 18, 2013 1:58 am

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<*cough, cough*> In your opinion. <*cough, cough*>
Obviously.
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Re: Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sat May 18, 2013 2:27 am

Zenkai wrote:It's the same timeline. Z ends with Goku going to train Uub. GT begins with Goku finishing Uub's training.
Yes it starts where the previous material stopped; Goku leaving to train Uub. You can still argue continuity with alternate timelines/universe though since it's not necessarily the only option; Battle of Gods or Dragon Ball Online.
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Re: Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

Post by Zenkai » Sat May 18, 2013 3:08 am

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Zenkai wrote:It's the same timeline. Z ends with Goku going to train Uub. GT begins with Goku finishing Uub's training.
Yes it starts where the previous material stopped; Goku leaving to train Uub. You can still argue continuity with alternate timelines/universe though since it's not necessarily the only option; Battle of Gods or Dragon Ball Online.
From what I've heard, there's nothing in the new movie that negates GT.

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Re: Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sat May 18, 2013 3:14 am

Zenkai wrote:From what I've heard, there's nothing in the new movie that negates GT.
Nothing negates GT, but Super Saiyan God itself causes an inconsistency that could warrant a fan to dismiss it in favor of the movie for their own person canon if they so choose.
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Re: Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat May 18, 2013 8:40 am

Zenkai wrote:It's the same timeline. Z ends with Goku going to train Uub. GT begins with Goku finishing Uub's training.
Akira Toriyama stated GT was a side story and also states that he sees anything that isn't his work taking place in alternate timelines. Here is his quote from the Daizenshuu 6:
I take the movies as “stories in a different dimension from the main story of the manga”. I’m entirely just an audience member for them.
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Zenkai wrote:It's the same timeline. Z ends with Goku going to train Uub. GT begins with Goku finishing Uub's training.
Yes it starts where the previous material stopped; Goku leaving to train Uub. You can still argue continuity with alternate timelines/universe though since it's not necessarily the only option; Battle of Gods or Dragon Ball Online.
From what I've heard, there's nothing in the new movie that negates GT.
Well many could argue that there are quite a few inconsistencies. For example Goku seems to have kept SSJ God by the end of this series. If he had SSJ God this whole time, why didn't he use it? It's clearly above SSJ3, and SSJ4, so why didn't he use that against Baby? That's just one example. I'm sure I could find more.
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Re: Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

Post by SSJJezter » Sat May 18, 2013 1:57 pm

1. Definately not
2. Yes
3. Yes, I just see it as something fun and interesting, even if it doesn't reach the high standards of DB and DBZ.

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Re: Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

Post by Kaboom » Sat May 18, 2013 2:24 pm

Zenkai wrote:Do you strongly dislike Dragon Ball GT?
Nope, I like GT a lot. I just don't approach it from the same angle I do as the manga content or movies. GT is more of a "mindless fun" category. I best enjoy it if I just don't think too hard about it and assume it works on its own rules, separate from the series before it.
Zenkai wrote:Have you seen all 64 episodes of GT and the special? If not, how much have you seen?
Yes, I've seen the entire series all the way through at least once. The last couple times I've tried to marathon it, though, I haven't gotten much farther than Baby. Following along with the podcast's GT Review of Awesomeness was my latest source of motivation to watch it, but...
Zenkai wrote:If you have seen every episode of GT and the special, do you like GT?
See above answer: still yes, under the aforementioned conditions and mindset.
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Re: Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

Post by Zenkai » Sat May 18, 2013 8:56 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
Zenkai wrote:It's the same timeline. Z ends with Goku going to train Uub. GT begins with Goku finishing Uub's training.
Akira Toriyama stated GT was a side story and also states that he sees anything that isn't his work taking place in alternate timelines. Here is his quote from the Daizenshuu 6:
But did he say that he thinks GT is in a different continuity?

I follow the anime, so I consider all anime-related Dragon Ball stuff to be canon.
Well many could argue that there are quite a few inconsistencies. For example Goku seems to have kept SSJ God by the end of this series. If he had SSJ God this whole time, why didn't he use it? It's clearly above SSJ3, and SSJ4, so why didn't he use that against Baby? That's just one example. I'm sure I could find more.
I'll tell you why Goku never transformed into the new form in GT: because that form didn't exist when GT was created.

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Re: Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat May 18, 2013 9:09 pm

Zenkai wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:
Zenkai wrote:It's the same timeline. Z ends with Goku going to train Uub. GT begins with Goku finishing Uub's training.
Akira Toriyama stated GT was a side story and also states that he sees anything that isn't his work taking place in alternate timelines. Here is his quote from the Daizenshuu 6:
But did he say that he thinks GT is in a different continuity?

I follow the anime, so I consider all anime-related Dragon Ball stuff to be canon.
Well many could argue that there are quite a few inconsistencies. For example Goku seems to have kept SSJ God by the end of this series. If he had SSJ God this whole time, why didn't he use it? It's clearly above SSJ3, and SSJ4, so why didn't he use that against Baby? That's just one example. I'm sure I could find more.
I'll tell you why Goku never transformed into the new form in GT: because that form didn't exist when GT was created.
That's still a continuity problem =/. Anyway, yes. Toriyama refers to GT as a side story and refers to anything that isn't his work as an alternate timeline. GT does not follow the manga's continuity. Even the anime suffers continuity errors when trying to fit the movies into one coherent timeline. I still consider almost everything canon though. All these alternate timelines connect somehow after all :D .
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Re: Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Sat May 18, 2013 9:23 pm

The side story is still considered to be a part of main timeline, though.
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Re: Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

Post by JulieYBM » Sat May 18, 2013 9:43 pm

I think I've seen all sixty-four episodes and the television special of Dragon Ball GT. I like it well enough. There are certainly areas I would improve upon, but otherwise I really wish the franchise licensors would do more with the series' elements.
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Re: Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat May 18, 2013 9:48 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:The side story is still considered to be a part of main timeline, though.
I don't think you realize the definition of a side story... Sorry but GT won't fit into the manga's timeline without an absurd amount of continuity errors.
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Re: Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

Post by Bussani » Sat May 18, 2013 11:25 pm

Zenkai wrote:I'll tell you why Goku never transformed into the new form in GT: because that form didn't exist when GT was created.
If you're going to use logic like that then it doesn't matter whether Battle of Gods negates/contradicts GT anyway.
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Re: Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

Post by Blade » Sun May 19, 2013 2:44 am

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:The side story is still considered to be a part of main timeline, though.
I don't think you realize the definition of a side story... Sorry but GT won't fit into the manga's timeline without an absurd amount of continuity errors.
Side story is just a term that Toriyama used to describe Dragonball GT in the perfect files, not a definitive, set-in-stone indicator that GT is set in an alternative timeline or continuity. That notion is implicit at best, therefore please stop trying to tell people that it's a concrete marker or piece of proof that GT cannot be part of the anime continuity.

GT's plot may raise serious continuity errors that contradict Toriyama's work, but as with any long running fiction, these are likely to be as a result of a production oversight as opposed to being a deliberate attempt to detach the story from a particular continuity. Granted, Dragonball GT is not part of the storyline that Toriyama himself wrote, but it's a direct anime sequel to Dragonball Z - and there is nothing, official or otherwise, to say that as a continuation of the story it is any less valid.
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Re: Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Sun May 19, 2013 9:28 am

GT fits with the anime but not with the Manga, especially when it comes to evil beings keeping their bodies once they die.

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Re: Some simple questions about Dragon Ball GT

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun May 19, 2013 9:58 am

It's still part of an alternate timeline regardless of whether it's a direct sequel or not. Movie 6 sure as hell wouldn't fit in the anime or the manga because of the Dende fiasco. Everything is canon under the alternate timelines proposed by Toriyama in the Daizenshuu 6.
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