Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[RandomGuy96]

Cooler basically makes the last part of that statement true anyway, if you're considering him... but well said. It's unneeded (since the role of "member of Freeza's family who is way stronger than him" is already filled by Cooler, who could've easily beaten U9 Videl and advanced to stomp U3 Bardock), annoying, it breaks canon (King Cold is supposed to be weaker than Freeza, this is stated repeatedly), it doesn't make sense (why the fuck didn't he just transform and flatten Goku and Trunks?), and it's just a baffling decision in general. Is Salagir really such a huge fan of King Cold? The pathetic superfluous excuse for a villain who got one-shotted in his one "fight" after acting like a smug idiot for the entirety of his on-screen appearance?

Even worse, in all likelihood he's going to flatten U3 Bardock (you know, the guy who had trouble with Raditz?) while Freeza gets stomped by Vegetto, making him the only member of his universe to reach the finals.

[Saiga]

You could avoid Cooler making the last statement true by having him only discover his final form sometime after Freeza's death, or something. After all tweaking the details of movie characters isn't a problem.

[TonyTheTiger]

Even so, Goku was able to beat Cooler as a normal Super Saiyan. So even if Cooler is stronger than Freeza, he doesn't seem to be that much stronger, even with the extra transformation.

[Saiga]

Even so, Goku was able to beat Cooler as a normal Super Saiyan. So even if Cooler is stronger than Freeza, he doesn't seem to be that much stronger, even with the extra transformation.

But any of the details are up for changing, so Cooler's extra form could be made stronger so that he's more relevant in the tournament.

[RandomGuy96]

You could avoid Cooler making the last statement true by having him only discover his final form sometime after Freeza's death, or something. After all tweaking the details of movie characters isn't a problem.

That works.

Even so, Goku was able to beat Cooler as a normal Super Saiyan. So even if Cooler is stronger than Freeza he doesn't seem to be that much stronger, extra transformation included.

He is a lot stronger. Nowhere near to the same extent as Salagir's King Cold, but strong enough to flatten Namek Goku for sure going by his and Goku's statements in that movie, and some supplemental materials. Somewhere in the 180,000,000+ range. Remember that the Goku he fought had three major boosts over Namek Goku: Yardrat training, android training (depends on how early this is supposed to be in that period), and a zenkai. And he still nearly killed him.

It just really confuses me. Again, from a writer's perspective, Cooler can fill the same roll as King Cold (defeat U9 Videl and then defeat U3 Bardock), and in fact would be a more logical choice, since he's actually stronger than Freeza. Yet Salagir wanked Cold and fodderized Cooler every chance he got. Why? Again, is he a huge fan of Cold? Arguably the lamest villain in the series?

But any of the details are up for changing, so Cooler's extra form could be made stronger so that he's more relevant in the tournament.

You could just handwave it with gravity training. But why does he even need to be stronger to fill the role Salagir gave to Cold? U9 Videl and U3 Bardock do not require Cooler to be haxxed, his normal power is more than enough.

[Saiga]

I just said it because I assume Salagir has some plan for Cold to fill at 16's level of power, although I can't imagine what. Maybe haxxed Bardock, for all we know Bardock was just the Dabra to Raditz's Future Gohan.

You know, it's surprising how quick he was to transform against Videl, even while winning, despite apparently having some taboo against it when he was about to be killed by Trunks.

[RandomGuy96]

I just said it because I assume Salagir has some plan for Cold to fill at 16's level of power, although I can't imagine what. Maybe haxxed Bardock, for all we know Bardock was just the Dabra to Raditz's Future Gohan.

He definitely seemed like a genuine challenge to Bardock. Which is even more pathetic as Salagir has gone on record as saying he doesn't think Ozaru is an actual x10 boost. Also, according to the DBM wiki (by the way, don't go there), U3 Bardock was stated to be 200 times stronger than U10 Bardock in the novelization. Now whether or not that includes the SS form is debatable, but either way that would still make U3 Bardock weaker than Freeza as a Super Saiyan. I just think that Salagir threw in the line about Cold being almost as strong as 16 just to make him look impressive, and in the next round U3 Bardock will be fodderized. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he will get haxxed. But I doubt it.

You know, it's surprising how quick he was to transform against Videl, even while winning, despite apparently having some taboo against it when he was about to be killed by Trunks.

I know right? If only he had a few extra seconds, he totally could've shit all over Goku and continued to be emperor of the universe. But alas there was nothing he could do to prevent his death. Nothing at all.

I predict that, after Cold stomps U3 Bardock, he'll pull a fifth form out of his ass to fight U13 Kakarot.

[Saiga]

I checked it out, it only refers to Bardock's base form since he hadn't shown Super Saiyan at that time. And it's being compared to U10 Bardock, and we have no idea how strong he is.

[RandomGuy96]

I highly doubt U10 Bardock was stronger than U18 Bardock to such a degree. But aside from that, that whole Ozaru Raditz incident really doesn't bode well for U3 Bardock's power. At all. Salagir doesn't even think that Raditz was 10 times stronger in that form.

Another thing that bugs me about Cold: he's the only member of his universe who accomplished ANYTHING. Cooler was instantly eliminated, Freeza "won" through forfeit after being trolled and is being set up for an epic curbstomp against Vegetto, and all of the henchmen were just jobbers. He's just a really bad sue character, like Bra and Hanasia.

[Saiga]

Isn't Freeza fighting Goku next? I know Freeza is right across from Vegetto/XII on the tournament board, but I thought that was done to prevent it being one long list going downways.

Either way, yes, it looks like he's going to get curbstomped but I have a feeling he'll pull out a fifth form and be stronger than #17 at least.

Cold being the only member of his universe to accomplish anything also bugs me. But then, most of these universes are complete wastes.

[RandomGuy96]

Isn't Freeza fighting Goku next? I know Freeza is right across from Vegetto/XII on the tournament board, but I thought that was done to prevent it being one long list going downways.

Is that how it works? No, I think that Freeza's facing Vegetto. I mean that just made more logical sense to me, because that'd also mean that Cold's facing U13 Kakarot and Gast is facing King Piccolo.

Either way, yes, it looks like he's going to get curbstomped but I have a feeling he'll pull out a fifth form and be stronger than #17 at least.

What?

Ignoring that the form probably isn't that big of a boost, what would be the point? He'd still get one-shotted.

Cold being the only member of his universe to accomplish anything also bugs me. But then, most of these universes are complete wastes.

Yep. But again, if they wanted only one member of U8 to accomplish anything, the logical choice would be Cooler, who is officially the strongest. Boom, you have your preferred story and you didn't even have to create a dozen plotholes and ignore canon to do it. Not to mention that Cooler has a way bigger fanbase than Cold. Not much of an accomplishment though, since no one likes Cold.

[Saiga]

Is that how it works? No, I think that Freeza's facing Vegetto. I mean that just made more logical sense to me, because that'd also mean that Cold's facing U13 Kakarot and Gast is facing King Piccolo.

Vegeta told Pan to forfeit so he could fight Kakarot in round 3 which fits the chart working as I said. And King Piccolo vs Gast is round 2, not 3.

What?

Ignoring that the form probably isn't that big of a boost, what would be the point? He'd still get one-shotted.

According to the novel, there is a HUGE difference between Cooler and Freeza in their "true" forms. So Cooler's fifth form is actually a big boost, and I think Salagir might have it bring Freeza up to Goku's Super Saiyan level, even though I think that'd be horseshit myself.

Yep. But again, if they wanted only one member of U8 to accomplish anything, the logical choice would be Cooler, who is officially the strongest. Boom, you have your preferred story and you didn't even have to create a dozen plotholes and ignore canon to do it. Not to mention that Cooler has a way bigger fanbase than Cold. Not much of an accomplishment though, since no one likes Cold.

If no one liked Cold, then fanart like this wouldn't exist. Unfortunately this is not the case, and we all have to accept that this is a thing.

[RandomGuy96]

Vegeta told Pan to forfeit so he could fight Kakarot in round 3 which fits the chart working as I said. And King Piccolo vs Gast is round 2, not 3.

(looks back at chart)

Oh, okay, that makes sense. So I guess Cold is "fighting" Bra.

According to the novel, there is a HUGE difference between Cooler and Freeza in their "true" forms. So Cooler's fifth form is actually a big boost, and I think Salagir might have it bring Freeza up to Goku's Super Saiyan level, even though I think that'd be horseshit myself.

Well, since when does Salagir care?

But I doubt he'll do that. More likely he'll have Freeza get easily one-shotted. Also, you got a quote from the novelization that says how different they are?

If no one liked Cold, then fanart like this wouldn't exist. Unfortunately this is not the case, and we all have to accept that this is a thing.

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Okay, so apparently Cold wank is not a new phenomenon.

Seriously guys? All he did was die!

Backstory:
-His skin is invulnerable that even an attack from Gogeta SSJ4 (Big Bang Kamehameha) is useless.
-His IQ level is far above that tuffle clan.
-The reason why King Cold didn't transform into this form is because this transformation is so powerful that he accidentally destroy his homeworld and vow to never transform into this again, but since he is now dead, he can use this transformation in hell but not in the living world.
-King Cold is the only one who can transform into this form, because he is the prodigy of the Arcosian race.

Wow.

[Saiga]

216 times stronger than a Golden Oozaru, according to another page.

If Freeza was going to be one-shotted by Goku, I think he wouldn't have gone immediately after 17, who is stronger than him. Otherwise, what's the point? It gives us a weaker version of the exact same message. That's why I would either think Goku fights in base or Freeza somehow matches Super Saiyan, and Salagir has already said he considers the base Saiyans to be too low to beat Freeza.

Then again, looking at that tournament matchup and remembering, Salagir seems really fond of pointless matches.

[RandomGuy96]

216 times stronger than a Golden Oozaru, according to another page.

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We're talking about Cold, right? The guy who tried to kill Trunks with a sword? The guy who begged for mercy when Trunks casually one-shotted him? The guy who says that anyone that could beat Freeza would be the strongest person in the universe?

If Freeza was going to be one-shotted by Goku, I think he wouldn't have gone immediately after 17, who is stronger than him. Otherwise, what's the point? It gives us a weaker version of the exact same message. That's why I would either think Goku fights in base or Freeza somehow matches Super Saiyan, and Salagir has already said he considers the base Saiyans to be too low to beat Freeza.

Salagir seems determined to make Freeza pathetic in every universe.

Then again, looking at that tournament matchup and remembering, Salagir seems really fond of pointless matches.

Bingo.

[Saiga]

Wouldn't that be better achieved by having Freeza fail to hold back in time and being disqualified? I think that'd make him seem more pathetic than losing to Goku, anyway.

Given previous trends, I just advise you not to let yourself get too surprised if my prediction turns out to be accurate.

[RandomGuy96]

Oh, believe me, I won't be surprised at all. Despite good art, a very interesting premise, and a few good moments, I think DBM is pretty crappy. Also, half of the characters I actually wanted to see have been eliminated, so the only reason I'm still reading is to see what Zen Buu is up too. Because any Super Buu is always enjoyable.

[Hellspawn28]

I wish they can improve on the placing. I think just giving us a chapter once a month is good. I hate waiting for a page once every few days and the page ends up with nothing happening.

[dbzfan7]

I wish they can improve on the placing. I think just giving us a chapter once a month is good. I hate waiting for a page once every few days and the page ends up with nothing happening.

Exactly. Release one page a day and take a month off afterwards to prepare for the next chapter.

[dbzfan7]