Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[TonyTheTiger]

"Whether you like it or not."

Hm. Ok, defensiveness aside, this is a problem for much more practical reasons. Even if it is his work, even if he does get to do whatever he wants to do with it, it's just plain bad writing on his part. If there is some detail written into the work that needs further elaboration then said elaboration belongs in the work itself. People should not have to resort to liner notes and editor commentary to understand what the fuck is going on. You can't just make something up out of thin air, write in the subsequent effects of that into the main text, and then leave the audience in the dark as to what it was that originally triggered those effects.

I'm fine with these alternate universe Back to the Future II divergences he's got going on. But they really need to be plotted out clearly enough for the audience to follow. If he's going to write in a divergence from Dragon Ball proper I don't want to have to read his posts to learn what they are.

[RandomGuy96]

Mmm, that delicious superiority complex and self-entitlement. I love how he completely lacks modesty, it's all like "THIS IS MY STORY I DO WHAT I WANT".
News flash asshole, it isn't. It's Toriyama's story that you're poorly adapting and shitting on.

Honestly, how can this person call himself a fan when he completely disregards and disrespects the original source?

He's not disrespecting the original source, he's just doing the sensible thing by saying "fuck canon and semi-canon" and making shit up out of thin air. Because obviously Salagir knows best. Like Broly > SS2 Vegetto. That one is just undeniable manga fact and is totally not because he's a fanboy and also Broly was totally in the manga because his power is maximum.

Seriously, why are people surprised? Salagir makes stuff up all the time. A little note that makes someone seem massively OOC is par for the course for the comic. It's actually relatively minor, all things considered, when you consider the more major defilements of canon, like the Cold wank and the Super Namek.

[rereboy]

Worst special ever. I'm so disappointed that I'm even considering doing my own fanfic of "Future Buu" (and if I could draw it I would).

[coola]

I'm sorry, but it`s so out of character for Vegeta, while i can believe he can train with Gohan, i doubt he would rush to fight with 17 and 18, after he saw their power when he first fought with them, until he is sure, he is absolutely ready. I'm sorry Salagir, do not belittle GT, because your writing isn`t any better.

Worst special ever. I'm so disappointed that I'm even considering doing my own fanfic of "Future Buu" (and if I could draw it I would).

Worse than Bojack special? Well, at least it was drawn so bad, you could at least laugh at it.

[rereboy]

Worse than Bojack special?

Yes, it has more bullshit and is more disappointing.

[DNA]

I'm sorry Salagir, do not belittle GT, because your writing isn`t any better.

Precisely, he thinks so highly of himself he acts like he can do better than Toriyama himself.

Worse than Bojack special? Well, at least it was drawn so bad, you could at least laugh at it.

Exactly, at least that one was so bad it was good, this one is just terrible.

If he had any talent whatsoever and could find a way to convince me as to why Vegeta would find the need to train Gohan instead of rushing against #17 and #18 and getting killed like a moron, then I would at least respect him for TRYING. When he addresses his fans with this shitty arrogant comment, it just shows he deserves no one's respect as an "artist", "writer" or even person.

Again, not that I'm surprised, I've been saying this almost since the beginning.

[Tzigi]

You can't just make something up out of thin air, write in the subsequent effects of that into the main text, and then leave the audience in the dark as to what it was that originally triggered those effects.

Actually you're wrong: this special is an adaptation of the story contained in the "Fanfic DBM Universe 14: One Way". The relevant part begins here. And it had been written way before this comic was created - in a later author note Salagir explicitly acknowledges it. That's also why there are three authors of this special chapter: Salagir and Foenidis as scenarists and ZettoShonen as the artist.

[dbzfan7]

I think the Saiyans special or the Hildegarn special was the absolute worst.

[TonyTheTiger]

You can't just make something up out of thin air, write in the subsequent effects of that into the main text, and then leave the audience in the dark as to what it was that originally triggered those effects.

Actually you're wrong: this special is an adaptation of the story contained in the "Fanfic DBM Universe 14: One Way". The relevant part begins here. And it had been written way before this comic was created - in a later author note Salagir explicitly acknowledges it. That's also why there are three authors of this special chapter: Salagir and Foenidis as scenarists and ZettoShonen as the artist.

That doesn't make it any better, really. Imagine if this were a movie adaptated from a book. Like if Jurassic Park just left a detail hanging that left the audience confused. "Oh, that detail we mentioned but failed to explain? Read the book and it'll make sense." That's a horrible way to do things. Supplemental material should be exactly that: supplemental. Not required reading to understand the main plot.

[Storm101]

I have to be be ruthless!

The translation never ceases to amaze me.

[dbzfan7]

I have to be be ruthless!

The translation never ceases to amaze me.

Wow the stupid page and logic made me miss that.

Also as people are saying above. He really has no reason to criticize GT if he thinks what he does is so much better. Go read Kaboom's GTR to see how you can add new things that aren't stupid.

[TonyTheTiger]

The question I ask whenever a random change pops up is "why?" Again, some changes to squeeze in a few of the movies? I get those. There's a clear "why" there. But a lot of others...it's just completely random. And the more it happens the more DBM's role as a supposed "sequel to the manga" is stretched beyond reason. Eventually U18 stops being "the Dragon Ball you know" and instead becomes an alternate universe itself, the Salagir Universe or whatever.

[RandomGuy96]

What are some of the most annoying changes to the U18 "original" universe, for you guys? I still say that it's making Cold as strong as Android 16, when canonically he's slightly weaker than Freeza and much weaker than Cooler. Though the existence of Hanasia (she's "canon" in U18 too, right?), the biggest mary sue in the story, is a close second.

[Attitudefan]

The drawings are so bad, it makes me laugh.

[Storm101]

I never read about Hanasia. What did he do with her?

[miguelnuva1]

It is stated in both the Anime and the manga that Vegeta or Piccolo is killed first by the Androids, how would Vegeta rush off to fight them if he escaped a battle. Vegeta is no fool if an enemy spared him once he isn't coming back without a huge power up.

Gohan's point could have easily came off the same way without implying Vegeta trained him more.

[RandomGuy96]

I never read about Hanasia. What did he do with her?

She doesn't actually appear in U18, but she was basically retconned into existing in U18 by virtue of existing in U3. Anyway, she's Goku's mother. This female saiyan OC just so happens to be pretty, unusually kind, related to a pre-established character and paired with another one, and smart. She also happens to be the strongest saiyan in existence at the time. Yes, even stronger than King Vegeta. And she comes completely out of nowhere. On top of that she manages to do way better against Dodoria then she should with her level of strength and plays a critical role in the saiyan's victory in U3.

She really is just a poorly written fanfiction character, and yet another example of Salagir playing fast and loose with the canon.

Also, am I imaging this or did Salagir also modify U18 by making a shitload of changes to power levels in the Freeza Saga? Like, doesn't he ignore the manga and think that Freeza in his first form is weaker than Ginyu and the ape transformation isn't a x10 boost? I heard that somewhere.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Mmm, that delicious superiority complex and self-entitlement. I love how he completely lacks modesty, it's all like "THIS IS MY STORY I DO WHAT I WANT".
News flash asshole, it isn't. It's Toriyama's story that you're poorly adapting and shitting on.

Honestly, how can this person call himself a fan when he completely disregards and disrespects the original source?

I know right! Screw you Salagir . I'm starting to think GT is better than his crap.

[RandomGuy96]

So, in terms of future match-ups, what's everyone's predictions? Mine:

XXI vs Vegetto- there's no way Salagir's going to let Vegetto lose.

18 vs Arale- Arale has gag power. So she'll PROBABLY one-shot. But I'm still not sure.

Gotenks vs Nekomajin- Duh.

Zen Buu vs Tien- an absolutely brutal stomp in Zen Buu's favor.

Bra vs Eleim- an absolutely brutal stomp in Bra's favor.

King Cold vs Bardock- an absolutely brutal stomp in Cold's favor. Bardock was smacked around by Oozaru Raditz who, judging by Nappa's forfeit to Freeza, was actually WEAKER than Freeza. U3 Bardock was also explicitly stated to be only 200 times as strong as his U10 counterpart in base- and Salagir said (in this thread, I think) that U10 Bardock was about as strong as U18 Bardock, and that he'd mention if one of their power levels was different. Even in Salagir's head canon, Bardock is 10,000. Meaning SS Bardock would only be 100,000,000. So of course he'll get butchered by even third form King Cold who stomps all over U12 Yardrat Goku and rivals Cooler (in his fifth form)thanks to Salagir-haxx. Shame, if this had been the canon Cold it would've been a decent match-up, since he should be around the same strength as U3 Super Saiyan Bardock (i.e. "somewhat inferior to Freeza" and MUCH weaker than Cooler).

Vegeta vs Raichi- again, we all know Salagir isn't going to let Vegeta lose.

Gast vs King Piccolo- Not sure what King Piccolo can really do to avoid a stomp. And I can't see Gast being eliminated after that build up.

[dbzfan7]

Oh god the Bojack rape face.