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Re: Funimation comments on Battle of Gods' status

Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Tue May 21, 2013 2:44 pm

JulieYBM wrote:The movie isn't going to do bad if Fox used a different dub cast. The general audience would pay the voice cast no mind.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Mike.
How do you know? We don't even know if they are good voice actors. Then again the larger fanbase knows the Funi cast more than people who are just very casual customers. It's percentage, JulieYBM. It's common sense. Funimation has been dubbing Dragon Ball since 1999. That's 14 years of dubbing it, whereas the (possible) different cast are unknown, and it won't have a positive impact. That's like having Japan to choose different cast for Battle of God over the icon seiyuus that has been giving voices for over 30 years. You surely are aware of what will happen if they opted to use other Japanese cast for the movie, right?
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Welcome to 1999, I guess? See how that worked out...?
That's different story, though. Back then the Ocean dub never worked out with the company and eventually they parted way with Funimation. From there on they took over. To be fair, the Ocean cast still exists, but that's only in UK. The Ocean and Funimation both still have dubbing rights for Dragon Ball.
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Re: Funimation comments on Battle of Gods' status

Post by VegettoEX » Tue May 21, 2013 2:48 pm

It didn't "work out" because they couldn't afford them anymore. It's not like people didn't like the voices at the time, especially considering what came next.

Everyone likes to make excuses for why an entirely new English voice cast wouldn't work, but that's fine. If it ever happens, like it has in other countries with Kai dubs, you can just sit there pouting and never watch the series again while other people enjoy it.

Though I'd advise them to just switch to Japanese, of course! ^_~
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Re: Funimation comments on Battle of Gods' status

Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Tue May 21, 2013 3:10 pm

Didn't you voice the displeasure when they first hired the voice actors from the street when you started running Vegetto's Home Page? It's been a while since the last time I read your editorials. Most of the older fans in 90's (I was a kid at time so I didn't know better) didn't like how they handled Dragon Ball Z because of horrible acting and delivery.

It's only natural that we would not be pleased with the cast change. The Funimation has improved so much that it's pretty close to how the Mexican dubbed Dragon Ball. They are that good and most of us are pretty satisfied with their work. If they are already established voice actors, wouldn't it be wise to just use them?
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Re: Funimation comments on Battle of Gods' status

Post by VegettoEX » Tue May 21, 2013 3:13 pm

We're agreeing with you.

We're also saying that, heaven forbid, were an entirely separate cast to be used to voice the characters, it wouldn't be the end of the English-speaking world. It's happened before plenty of times, and everyone's still alive.
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Re: Funimation comments on Battle of Gods' status

Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue May 21, 2013 3:21 pm

I still doubt we will get big name voice actors. Just because Fox is apart of the movie does not mean they will hire Hollywood stars. When Tristar dubbed Godzilla 2000 and released it in theaters in the US, they didn't have Matthew Broderick voicing the main character. I'm 100% sure using the Funi voice cast will be the best way to go.
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Re: Funimation comments on Battle of Gods' status

Post by Mewzard » Tue May 21, 2013 3:28 pm

VegettoEX wrote:We're agreeing with you.

We're also saying that, heaven forbid, were an entirely separate cast to be used to voice the characters, it wouldn't be the end of the English-speaking world. It's happened before plenty of times, and everyone's still alive.
True, but back when they switched, they weren't around for the longest time. The Funi guys have been around for more than a decade at this point, they're pretty ingrained into the minds of much of the English fandom.

Honestly, I wouldn't have even been into Kai had they not brought the Funi guys in. The same isn't true for Battle of Gods (for fans of the Japanese version, Kai is needless when they have Dragon Boxes), but if Fox does pull something by replacing the voice cast, I'd have to boycott it solely to give Fox a message. Showing support would just basically be approval (I'd just have to watch it in Japanese with someone else if they got it on DVD).

Of course, I'd rather watch it in both English with the Funi guys and the original Japanese with English subs (keep Steve on subs I say). If Fox just wants to sit back and enjoy the free money, then I support it. But if they pull any crap, then I'll treat BoG like I did Evolution.

I know, I'm one of those weird guys who's attached to his English voices while also demanding accurate scripts and good voice acting/direction, and still enjoys the Japanese version on top of that, but I think my side has some merit...
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Re: Funimation comments on Battle of Gods' status

Post by theoriginalbilis » Tue May 21, 2013 3:40 pm

Honestly, alls I want is my Japanese version with English subtitles. Whichever home release offers that option first (be it Japanese or American, Fox, Toei, or FUNimation) will be the one I buy.
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Re: Funimation comments on Battle of Gods' status

Post by JulieYBM » Tue May 21, 2013 4:32 pm

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JulieYBM wrote:The movie isn't going to do bad if Fox used a different dub cast. The general audience would pay the voice cast no mind.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Mike.
How do you know? We don't even know if they are good voice actors. Then again the larger fanbase knows the Funi cast more than people who are just very casual customers. It's percentage, JulieYBM. It's common sense. Funimation has been dubbing Dragon Ball since 1999. That's 14 years of dubbing it, whereas the (possible) different cast are unknown, and it won't have a positive impact. That's like having Japan to choose different cast for Battle of God over the icon seiyuus that has been giving voices for over 30 years. You surely are aware of what will happen if they opted to use other Japanese cast for the movie, right?
Nobody who isn't a fan talking about their favorite dub actor on the internet is going to care. It's vastly over-estimating to assume an English dub using different actors would deal any sort of noticeable damage to a US release.
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Re: Funimation comments on Battle of Gods' status

Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Tue May 21, 2013 4:57 pm

If orange bricks are any indication, then yeah, it's going to be a mess if they decide to use different cast. There are a lot of fans who are more familiar with the Funi cast than there are people who have no knowledge of the dub actors. You have no idea how much English-speaking fans were hyped when the news about Battle of Gods broke out, and they were hoping the Funimation would dub it.

And you still haven't answer my question.
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Re: Funimation comments on Battle of Gods' status

Post by Duo » Tue May 21, 2013 5:01 pm

If they used a totally new cast, at least it would equally alienate/include the U.S., Canadian, and European audiences.

The most bothersome part of this whole thing is all of the speculation going on prior to any kind of release announcement.

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Re: Funimation comments on Battle of Gods' status

Post by JulieYBM » Tue May 21, 2013 5:06 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:If orange bricks are any indication, then yeah, it's going to be a mess if they decide to use different cast. There are a lot of fans who are more familiar with the Funi cast than there are people who have no knowledge of the dub actors. You have no idea how much English-speaking fans were hyped when the news about Battle of Gods broke out, and they were hoping the Funimation would dub it.

And you still haven't answer my question.
There's no defined indication about Orange Brick sales nor is there is an indication how many of these people that are 'hyped' are either paying viewers or actually motivated based on the cast. People who care about the dub cast are just as small a niche as the fans of the original cast.
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Re: Funimation comments on Battle of Gods' status

Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue May 21, 2013 5:15 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:'Oh wow, Dragon Ball Z, I watched that as a kid. And look, they got Johnny Depp in this one!'
I still don't think that will work. Battle of Gods is a movie made for the people who watch the show and I think most casual people in the US will have no idea what is going on. They will be like "Who is Majin Buu? Why can these character transform and fly?!". Critics felt the same with the Pokemon movies because they didn't know anything about the franchise. With these type of movies, it's hard to market to a limited fanbase. Yeah DBZ does have a big fan base, but I don't think it's that big as most people make it out to be. Not everyone in America grew up watching Dragon Ball on Toonami.
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Post by Mewzard » Tue May 21, 2013 5:20 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:If orange bricks are any indication, then yeah, it's going to be a mess if they decide to use different cast. There are a lot of fans who are more familiar with the Funi cast than there are people who have no knowledge of the dub actors. You have no idea how much English-speaking fans were hyped when the news about Battle of Gods broke out, and they were hoping the Funimation would dub it.

And you still haven't answer my question.
There's no defined indication about Orange Brick sales nor is there is an indication how many of these people that are 'hyped' are either paying viewers or actually motivated based on the cast. People who care about the dub cast are just as small a niche as the fans of the original cast.
...Not in America they're not. Anyone who's going to see this movie besides out of curiosity/boredom is either going to be a fan of the old Toonami days, a fan of the current Kai run on Nicktoons/Vortexx, a fan of the Japanese version via home releases, a rare chance of a fan of the old International Channel run, possibly a fan of the games (which were mostly dub only), or the parent/grandparent/sibling/friend of a person among that group. In America, the majority would be dub fans over sub fans (that will increase for a home video release if it gets a dub theatrical run).

It's not a statement of quality, it's just the fact that a majority of Dragon Ball fans in America either only have experience with the dub, or have it with both and prefer the dub. And if they were in fact fans, they'd probably prefer to hear familiar voices over new ones. I imagine Japanese fans were pretty upset by some of Kai's recasting (of course, some of that couldn't be helped...but others seemed recast for no clear reason). People would notice if Sean Schemmel was replaced with "Come Magic Cloud!" man. Schemmel's Goku is fairly distinct. In fact, several of the actors' voices are.

After all this work to try to get the franchise voiced by a single cast (years waiting for redubs and all), it would just be weird to start switching up the cast again.
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Gyt Kaliba wrote:'Oh wow, Dragon Ball Z, I watched that as a kid. And look, they got Johnny Depp in this one!'
I still don't think that will work. Battle of Gods is a movie made for the people who watch the show and I think most casual people in the US will have no idea what is going on. They will be like "Who is Majin Buu? Why can these character transform and fly?!". Critics felt the same with the Pokemon movies because they didn't know anything about the franchise. With these type of movies, it's hard to market to a limited fanbase. Yeah DBZ does have a big fan base, but I don't think it's that big as most people make it out to be. Not everyone in America grew up watching Dragon Ball on Toonami.
While there will always be somewhat of a general audience going, these movies are intended for the fans, and doing anything to drive them away is just going to hurt the movie. Movies that try to ignore their source material or fans can get hurt pretty bad. It's not as bad as many videogame-based movies, but still, fans will notice.

Believe it or not, fans are going to be where a majority of the money comes from, especially given how prolific Dragon Ball was back in the day. I'm pretty sure Dragon Ball Z had to have been watched by at least tens of millions of people, given current Toonami's top shows hit over a million views on Adult Swim and that's not enough to even get the extra hour or two before Toonami starts dedicated to it, to give it any extra days, or anywhere near enough to go back to old Toonami hours.
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Re: Funimation comments on Battle of Gods' status

Post by JulieYBM » Tue May 21, 2013 5:25 pm

Mewzard wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:If orange bricks are any indication, then yeah, it's going to be a mess if they decide to use different cast. There are a lot of fans who are more familiar with the Funi cast than there are people who have no knowledge of the dub actors. You have no idea how much English-speaking fans were hyped when the news about Battle of Gods broke out, and they were hoping the Funimation would dub it.

And you still haven't answer my question.
There's no defined indication about Orange Brick sales nor is there is an indication how many of these people that are 'hyped' are either paying viewers or actually motivated based on the cast. People who care about the dub cast are just as small a niche as the fans of the original cast.
...Not in America they're not. Anyone who's going to see this movie besides out of curiosity/boredom is either going to be a fan of the old Toonami days, a fan of the current Kai run on Nicktoons/Vortexx, a fan of the Japanese version via home releases, a rare chance of a fan of the old International Channel run, possibly a fan of the games (which were mostly dub only), or the parent/grandparent/sibling/friend of a person among that group. In America, the majority would be dub fans over sub fans (that will increase for a home video release if it gets a dub theatrical run).

It's not a statement of quality, it's just the fact that a majority of Dragon Ball fans in America either only have experience with the dub, or have it with both and prefer the dub. And if they were in fact fans, they'd probably prefer to hear familiar voices over new ones. I imagine Japanese fans were pretty upset by some of Kai's recasting (of course, some of that couldn't be helped...but others seemed recast for no clear reason). People would notice if Sean Schemmel was replaced with "Come Magic Cloud!" man. Schemmel's Goku is fairly distinct. In fact, several of the actors' voices are.

After all this work to try to get the franchise voiced by a single cast (years waiting for redubs and all), it would just be weird to start switching up the cast again.
There's 'being a fan' and knowing something about the voices. It is extremely unlikely that anyone who doesn't actively follow this stuff on the internet would care or even notice should Fox use a dub cast different from the ones fans on the internet might know by name. If Dragon Ball's massive popularity in America is the be believed than that says it all the more.
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Re: Funimation comments on Battle of Gods' status

Post by Mewzard » Tue May 21, 2013 5:37 pm

JulieYBM wrote:There's 'being a fan' and knowing something about the voices. It is extremely unlikely that anyone who doesn't actively follow this stuff on the internet would care or even notice should Fox use a dub cast different from the ones fans on the internet might know by name. If Dragon Ball's massive popularity in America is the be believed than that says it all the more.
If you were at all a fan during their run, then you'd notice if it changed. You don't have to know it's "The Funi Cast" to recognize that every character sounds wrong from what you remember. Hell, shows I was a fan of that I haven't watched in years I can still pitch-perfect play those voices in my head, and if I go to check, it matches. I haven't seen Thundercats in years, but I would never forget his original voice, nor would I miss that they used his actor to play Lion-O's father in the new series. I don't know his name, but I do recognize the voice.

You're missing these key facts: You don't have to know that Kevin Conroy voiced Batman and Mark Hamil voiced the Joker in Batman: TAS to recognize that, while Batman: The Brave and the Bold is awesome, that the voices are different. Same with The Batman, Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe, etc.

You don't have to know that Mel Blanc voiced 99% of Looney Tunes characters (but you should, and shame on you if you don't, lol) to recognize when their voices change in series after he passed away.

Voices that are memorable will be remembered by anyone who was a fan for a decent enough amount of time even if they haven't seen it in years or don't know who did it.
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Re: Funimation comments on Battle of Gods' status

Post by JulieYBM » Tue May 21, 2013 5:53 pm

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JulieYBM wrote:There's 'being a fan' and knowing something about the voices. It is extremely unlikely that anyone who doesn't actively follow this stuff on the internet would care or even notice should Fox use a dub cast different from the ones fans on the internet might know by name. If Dragon Ball's massive popularity in America is the be believed than that says it all the more.
If you were at all a fan during their run, then you'd notice if it changed. You don't have to know it's "The Funi Cast" to recognize that every character sounds wrong from what you remember. Hell, shows I was a fan of that I haven't watched in years I can still pitch-perfect play those voices in my head, and if I go to check, it matches. I haven't seen Thundercats in years, but I would never forget his original voice, nor would I miss that they used his actor to play Lion-O's father in the new series. I don't know his name, but I do recognize the voice.
I noticed the voice change in 1999. I was nine. I didn't care. I've always been a geek, I notice things. If we're to believe Dragon Ball is massively popular in America than that only increases the odds that a different cast would go unnoticed and uncared about and ultimately have no real effect on a US box office gross.

This all being said on the massive assumption that Fox gets the license and the film sees a wide US release.
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Re: Funimation comments on Battle of Gods' status

Post by Vice » Tue May 21, 2013 6:15 pm

Mewzard wrote:If you were at all a fan during their run, then you'd notice if it changed. You don't have to know it's "The Funi Cast" to recognize that every character sounds wrong from what you remember. Hell, shows I was a fan of that I haven't watched in years I can still pitch-perfect play those voices in my head, and if I go to check, it matches. I haven't seen Thundercats in years, but I would never forget his original voice, nor would I miss that they used his actor to play Lion-O's father in the new series. I don't know his name, but I do recognize the voice.

You're missing these key facts: You don't have to know that Kevin Conroy voiced Batman and Mark Hamil voiced the Joker in Batman: TAS to recognize that, while Batman: The Brave and the Bold is awesome, that the voices are different. Same with The Batman, Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe, etc.

You don't have to know that Mel Blanc voiced 99% of Looney Tunes characters (but you should, and shame on you if you don't, lol) to recognize when their voices change in series after he passed away.

Voices that are memorable will be remembered by anyone who was a fan for a decent enough amount of time even if they haven't seen it in years or don't know who did it.
The problem here is that you're comparing some of the greatest voice actors and their most iconic roles with a bunch of decent voice actors at Funimation at best, and it even took them years to get to that level in itself.

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Re: Funimation comments on Battle of Gods' status

Post by Mewzard » Tue May 21, 2013 6:36 pm

JulieYBM wrote:I noticed the voice change in 1999. I was nine. I didn't care. I've always been a geek, I notice things. If we're to believe Dragon Ball is massively popular in America than that only increases the odds that a different cast would go unnoticed and uncared about and ultimately have no real effect on a US box office gross.

This all being said on the massive assumption that Fox gets the license and the film sees a wide US release.
Ironically coming from a Funi fan, I noticed the changes, and I was upset at first (with Gohan's change especially). But, the series hadn't been running that long with the cast in comparison to what is now...over 13 years right? Was it 1999 when the cast-switch happened? Despite how long the reruns felt as a child, the Ocean Dub was only on Toonami for about a year when the switch happened.

The longer a cast is retained, the more upset people get when changes are made. Replace the Simpsons VAs after Season One? Some rage, but there's a chance to get people into it. 10 years later? 20 years later? Blood will be had. Look at the whole thing with David Hayter not being asked back as Big Boss for MGSV. Had it happened after MGS1, yeah, people would get mad (it was the best video game acting we'd seen at the time after all)...but now? People are seething blood from their tightly clenched asses over it (myself included, I won't buy it if this is a replacement job without a VERY valid excuse *aka, he voices a young Snake, they want to distinct Big Boss and Snake now come a remake of Metal Gear/Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake*).
Vice wrote:The problem here is that you're comparing some of the greatest voice actors and their most iconic roles with a bunch of decent voice actors at Funimation at best, and it even took them years to get to that level in itself.
I simply chose examples people would recognize. Popular ones minimize the risk of it going over your head, and avoid series people just don't care about.

And yeah, it took them years to get there, but they were mostly inexperienced voice actors with no prior training and bad direction/scripting. All of that changed since then. And I wouldn't say "decent" applies to them now, I would say good. They've had a decade of experience, working their way from old style dubs to what we expect as the standard, and can really flex their acting chops now, especially with a better script/direction and an intent to do the series justice (it was Schemmel's idea to do the "Son Goku" part and fix the "Kaioken" pronunciation).

Even if they weren't that good, kids soaked them up for over 3 years there (just Z, not counting original and GT), then they brought it back for the Uncut run, then they came back for Kai's run, so yeah, I'm pretty sure fans who watched it have those voices stuck in their heads by now if they stuck with it for any decent amount of time. Eventually, many of them probably became attached to those voices to some degree, that might upset them if it were changed.

You don't have to be the most famous or best voice actor for kids to grow attached to your voice for a long period of time (especially if it was on a popular show).
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Re: Funimation comments on Battle of Gods' status

Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Tue May 21, 2013 6:43 pm

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Mewzard wrote:If you were at all a fan during their run, then you'd notice if it changed. You don't have to know it's "The Funi Cast" to recognize that every character sounds wrong from what you remember. Hell, shows I was a fan of that I haven't watched in years I can still pitch-perfect play those voices in my head, and if I go to check, it matches. I haven't seen Thundercats in years, but I would never forget his original voice, nor would I miss that they used his actor to play Lion-O's father in the new series. I don't know his name, but I do recognize the voice.

You're missing these key facts: You don't have to know that Kevin Conroy voiced Batman and Mark Hamil voiced the Joker in Batman: TAS to recognize that, while Batman: The Brave and the Bold is awesome, that the voices are different. Same with The Batman, Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe, etc.

You don't have to know that Mel Blanc voiced 99% of Looney Tunes characters (but you should, and shame on you if you don't, lol) to recognize when their voices change in series after he passed away.

Voices that are memorable will be remembered by anyone who was a fan for a decent enough amount of time even if they haven't seen it in years or don't know who did it.
The problem here is that you're comparing some of the greatest voice actors and their most iconic roles with a bunch of decent voice actors at Funimation at best, and it even took them years to get to that level in itself.
Decent? They are more than decent. What they did for Kai was more than decent. They have a lot of experience at their disposal right now. And they are probably more experienced when dubbing Battle of God than when they were dubbing Kai. You are forgetting that every voice actors need some time to practice to become a professional. Same is true for Nozawa, Horikawa, Tanaka, or everyone else for that matter. It's not just on the Funi actors. I'm pretty sure in another 10 years or so, they will come close to the level of the icon seiyuus.
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Re: Funimation comments on Battle of Gods' status

Post by Fennekin » Tue May 21, 2013 8:11 pm

JulieYBM wrote:The movie isn't going to do bad if Fox used a different dub cast. The general audience would pay the voice cast no mind.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Mike.
Trust me, if FOX changes the cast in anyway, it'll be ruined. We need the FUNimation cast, not some last-minute cast.

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