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I guess Goku can choose to teleport behind, to the sides, above, below or to the front of the target. It's the only way I can picture it being used against Beers, and he teleports behind and in front of Perfect Cell so he probably can choose where to go.
Anyway, It could be used well, as seen in the manga Goku doesn't always teleport really close to the target, sometimes he's a reasonable distance away, like when he teleports outside of Kame house when everybody is inside, or when he teleports to Gohan who is on Kaioshins planet. There's more, but you probably get the idea. He even once teleported to Kaios planet and didn't know where he was. I don't know what that's about.
If we're talking Shunkan-idō-proper here, I always saw the technique as more of a... let's call it "long-distance, self-delivery-mechanism" than "tactical fighting advantage technique".
Sure, there are a couple cases where it's literally described as something like "Shunkan-idō Kamehameha" (against Cell where he blows the top half off), so he totally used it for a short-distance re-... uhh... relocation? No, that just brings to mind the alternate English dub name of the technique...
Like, the proper technique (as I see it) is for going over there to that mostly-specific-but-kinda-vague location (say, Planet Namek in order to go pick up Dende and make him God, or Kame House to steal sunglasses) rather than "two feet directly next to my opponent in this specific pose". I know Goku improves EVERYTHING about himself over time so the fact that he has to concentrate on a singular-or-group ki and then travel to it might be something he gets better at and can use to other advantages, but I dunno.
I just don't see him teleporting left and right all throughout a fight using it offensively or even defensively that way. Seems that general "super speed" is probably more effective and natural in that regard.
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MasterVampire wrote:What about during the fight with Metal Cooler?
Goku and Cooler were using it a lot which annoyed Vegeta since he couldn't keep up with it.
Yeah, I was thinking about that as I was writing that out... totally unsure about it. I mean, it kinda does both things for me: (1) it's a movie so whatever, and (2) it does show that Goku can incorporate it into his overall fighting style (and it's literally named as its proper self by both characters).
So... I dunno!
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The Monkey King wrote:I think people forget about when Goku did this.
That's a cool example, but it's still against an opponent who's around Goku's own level. If that was someone much stronger and faster than him, he might get a surprise attack like this in once or twice, but would it help in the long run? Can it really be a proper substitute for speed?
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The Monkey King wrote:I think people forget about when Goku did this.
That's a cool example, but it's still against an opponent who's around Goku's own level. If that was someone much stronger and faster than him, he might get a surprise attack like this in once or twice, but would it help in the long run? Can it really be a proper substitute for speed?
Well it's instant/MMFTL, so I'm going to have to say yes it can.
In other news, the title totally makes Goku sound like a Pokemon . Level 15 Goku vs level 25 Beers. Goku use Teleport!
The teleporting itself is, but can Goku use it that quickly and that precisely to make it useful in close combat? Even if he appears next to someone instantly, if they can react and attack him before he can attack them, then it won't do him any good. That is, he can get to them instantly, but that doesn't mean he can attack instantly.
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Draken wrote:Well it's instant/MMFTL, so I'm going to have to say yes it can.
In other news, the title totally makes Goku sound like a Pokemon . Level 15 Goku vs level 25 Beers. Goku use Teleport!
The move itself is instant but the build-up to the move is not. If Goku can't perceive his enemies attacks or movement how is he supposed to effectively use the ability? If we take a look back at earlier arcs there have been consistent "WTF?" moments among the characters when facing someone who is much stronger than them. Raditz manages to strike Goku and Piccolo from behind before they even notice he's moved. Goku strikes Recoom before he can even react. Freeza manages to kill Dende and almost kill Gohan before they even realise he's shot an attack. Freeza was also making sport of Vegeta with just his speed alone. There are plenty of examples of characters just not being able to react to their enemies attacks purely because their speed dwarfs their own. Goku may be able to use it effectively against an enemy of the same level or possibly a little bit higher but when you're talking about an enemy who's power dwarfs your own I doubt Goku would be able to react in time to make use of the ability.
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Saiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:It would probably only work against a stronger foe a few times, but if Goku uses it against Beers well,my view on it will change.
He does as it is said in the synopsis. He does it right after SSJG wore off.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Saiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:It would probably only work against a stronger foe a few times, but if Goku uses it against Beers well,my view on it will change.
He does as it is said in the synopsis. He does it right after SSJG wore off.
Wasn't it said that he absorbed the SSJG's unique form of ki which allowed him to maintain fighting at near the level of the SSJG's form without actually being in the form? I'm pretty sure someone says that. Otherwise how would a SSJ Goku be able to go toe-to-toe against Bilus without the form?
Saiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:It would probably only work against a stronger foe a few times, but if Goku uses it against Beers well,my view on it will change.
He does as it is said in the synopsis. He does it right after SSJG wore off.
Wasn't it said that he absorbed the SSJG's unique form of ki which allowed him to maintain fighting at near the level of the SSJG's form without actually being in the form? I'm pretty sure someone says that. Otherwise how would a SSJ Goku be able to go toe-to-toe against Bilus without the form?
Goku absorbs most of the power. I really don't know how it effects SSJ. But he does use Shunkan Ido in the fight to out maneuver Birus. The Birus sends a ton of ki attacks flying around him.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:Goku absorbs most of the power. I really don't know how it effects SSJ. But he does use Shunkan Ido in the fight to out maneuver Birus. The Birus sends a ton of ki attacks flying around him.
So I would guess Goku is still strong enough to determine his opponents movements. Frankly if the gap was anything like his battles before where he couldn't even react to his opponents. E.g. Raditz and Freeza. Then I doubt he'd be able to make use of the teleport.
