Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[RandomGuy96]

Even assuming Anime Gohan + Nerfed Dabura ("Gohan was a SS and only as strong as Cell Games Goku") + 90% power drain (the shittiest plot device yet), this is ridiculous.

[DNA]

Does anyone else love the fact that he is slower and weaker but somehow still tough? Or is that just me?

[omegalucas]

Does anyone else love the fact that he is slower and weaker but somehow still tough? Or is that just me?

That's a problem with the English translation.
The French version says "Mais il est toujours aussi resistant!" It means something more like "But he is still tough!" and not "But he is still as tough!".
(And at least in the Portuguese version I took that "tough" in the sense of defense, like, he is much weaker than before but he still isn't getting down.)

[coola]

I hope Kaiserneko is reading all these specials. this special alone provides years of materials to make fun of.

[Marco Polo]

It took me three viewings to realize that the last panel depicts Gohan tripping Dabra up.

[miguelnuva1]

Salagir has gone from cool fan with a nice story to stupid fan with too much freedom.

Either that or Gogeta Jr was containing him, but now he's gone.

I feel that is the case as well.

[DNA]

It took me three viewings to realize that the last panel depicts Gohan tripping Dabra up.

I hardly pay attention to notice those things.

[dbzfan7]

Even assuming Anime Gohan + Nerfed Dabura ("Gohan was a SS and weaker than Cell Games Goku) + 90% power drain (the shittiest plot device yet), this is ridiculous.

It's been this way for a while.

[RandomGuy96]

In the comic, or this special? Either way, yeah, I know. I mean even before that energy drain, this Gohan showed feats that put him on a level above Buu Saga Piccolo.

[dbzfan7]

In the comic, or this special? Either way, yeah, I know. I mean even before that energy drain, this Gohan showed feats that put him on a level above Buu Saga Piccolo.

This Gohan is around half power Future Cyborgs at best since F.Gohan said he got stronger since last time (which was fighting a 17 using less than half power).

[RandomGuy96]

In the manga, yes. In Salagir's world, no. He was able to break Dabura's hold, dodge his blows, dodge his spit (getting Dabura to hit Pui Pui in the process), and shrug off a punch. For him to do any of that he'd have to be massively stronger than Buu Saga Piccolo, who didn't even manage to dodge the spit.

[dbzfan7]

In the manga, yes. In Salagir's world, no. He was able to break Dabura's hold, dodge his blows, dodge his spit (getting Dabura to hit Pui Pui in the process), and shrug off a punch. For him to do any of that he'd have to be massively stronger than Buu Saga Piccolo, who didn't even manage to dodge the spit.

Yeah, and this is Piccolo who trained in the ROSAT and had 7 years afterwards to train (not sure whether he did or not) and started as as strong or possibly stronger then 17 present who is much stronger then the one F. Gohan fought.

[Kamiccolo9]

In the manga, yes. In Salagir's world, no. He was able to break Dabura's hold, dodge his blows, dodge his spit (getting Dabura to hit Pui Pui in the process), and shrug off a punch. For him to do any of that he'd have to be massively stronger than Buu Saga Piccolo, who didn't even manage to dodge the spit.

Yeah, and this is Piccolo who trained in the ROSAT and had 7 years afterwards to train (not sure whether he did or not) and started as as strong or possibly stronger then 17 present who is much stronger then the one F. Gohan fought.

Toryama said in one of his interviews that Piccolo kept up his training. It's somewhere on this site, if you wanna look for it.

And just to indulge my curiosity, how strong does one need to be to dodge spit?

[dbzfan7]

In the manga, yes. In Salagir's world, no. He was able to break Dabura's hold, dodge his blows, dodge his spit (getting Dabura to hit Pui Pui in the process), and shrug off a punch. For him to do any of that he'd have to be massively stronger than Buu Saga Piccolo, who didn't even manage to dodge the spit.

Yeah, and this is Piccolo who trained in the ROSAT and had 7 years afterwards to train (not sure whether he did or not) and started as as strong or possibly stronger then 17 present who is much stronger then the one F. Gohan fought.

Toryama said in one of his interviews that Piccolo kept up his training. It's somewhere on this site, if you wanna look for it.

And just to indulge my curiosity, how strong does one need to be to dodge spit?

If Piccolo couldn't dodge it, then no way F. Gohan can.

[Kamiccolo9]

If Piccolo couldn't dodge it, then no way F. Gohan can.

The circumstances were different. Gohan was already fighting Dabura, so he would have already been in the mindset to avoid whatever Dabura did. Piccolo was just standing there, when the bad guy flew up and spit on him. It doesn't even really look like he tried to dodge it. Also, if there was enough time between Dabura spitting and the spit hitting Piccolo for Kaioshin to warn them about it, then it probably wasn't moving very fast (compared to attacks that Piccolo dodges regularily.)

[Saiga]

Present Gohan fought Dabra after seeing what the spit can do, and still couldn't entirely avoid it from a further distance than F. Gohan did. It is absolute horseshit that F. Gohan did.

[Kamiccolo9]

Present Gohan fought Dabra after seeing what the spit can do, and still couldn't entirely avoid it from a further distance than F. Gohan did. It is absolute horseshit that F. Gohan did.

Present Gohan was a rusty fighter, whose incompetence was commented on numerous times during the fight. Future Gohan would presumably have much sharper fighting instincts.

Edit:Also, present Gohan was charging directly at Dabura when he got spit on. Future Gohan was in a in position where he could more easily dodge the spit.

[Saiga]

Present Gohan fought Dabra after seeing what the spit can do, and still couldn't entirely avoid it from a further distance than F. Gohan did. It is absolute horseshit that F. Gohan did.

Present Gohan was a rusty fighter, whose incompetence was commented on numerous times during the fight. Future Gohan would presumably have much sharper fighting
instincts.

Not buying it. Gohan is still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster and stronger than his future self, and he actually knows that the spit should be dodged. Future Gohan has no reason to want to dodge it other than "eww" and that's actually an incredibly stupid reaction to have. To let himself get distracted by dodging spit on the grounds off "gross" against a much stronger opponent is ridiculous. So not only is it bullshit for him to actually be capable of dodging at point blank range, he's an idiot for dodging for such a reason.

[Kamiccolo9]

Present Gohan fought Dabra after seeing what the spit can do, and still couldn't entirely avoid it from a further distance than F. Gohan did. It is absolute horseshit that F. Gohan did.

Present Gohan was a rusty fighter, whose incompetence was commented on numerous times during the fight. Future Gohan would presumably have much sharper fighting
instincts.

Not buying it. Gohan is still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster and stronger than his future self, and he actually knows that the spit should be dodged. Future Gohan has no reason to want to dodge it other than "eww" and that's actually an incredibly stupid reaction to have. To let himself get distracted by dodging spit on the grounds off "gross" against a much stronger opponent is ridiculous. So not only is it bullshit for him to actually be capable of dodging at point blank range, he's an idiot for dodging for such a reason.

Not arguing about it being idiotic. However, the point that I was trying to make when I first commented on this topic is that we have no indication that Dabura spits at super speed. Kaioshin has enough time to shout out a warning before the spit actually hits Piccolo and Krillin, so, one would think that these characters, being as fast as they are, would be able to move faster than Kaioshin could talk.

[dbzfan7]

If Piccolo couldn't dodge it, then no way F. Gohan can.

The circumstances were different. Gohan was already fighting Dabura, so he would have already been in the mindset to avoid whatever Dabura did. Piccolo was just standing there, when the bad guy flew up and spit on him. It doesn't even really look like he tried to dodge it. Also, if there was enough time between Dabura spitting and the spit hitting Piccolo for Kaioshin to warn them about it, then it probably wasn't moving very fast (compared to attacks that Piccolo dodges regularily.)

Piccolo was watching Dabra. He was in fighting stance and still couldn't avoid it.