Do people here think FUNimation's Z Dub is the worst dub?

[Hades]

One thing I will never get is why people react to the dub, as badly done as it was, like it's an unholy amalgamation of Spec Ops: The Line and A Serbian Film.

[ABED]

One thing I will never get is why people react to the dub, as badly done as it was, like it's an unholy amalgamation of Spec Ops: The Line and A Serbian Film.

Two very arcane references.

The thing that gets to me about this is that some don't seem to get that DBZ became popular because of the strengths of the show, not the adaptation. The dub had EVERYTHING working against it, especially in season 3, and it still became a hit. If it wasn't DBZ, I don't think the changes would've made those shows successful, but I'm supposed to believe that hiring an inexperienced voice cast, using cheap recording equipment, cheap box art, less than faithful scripts with outdated slang and bad jokes, voices that weren't appropriate, lifeless synth music instead of the orchestral score, etc all aided in making DBZ a success in the states.

It bothers me that I couldn't watch a good dub until I was in my mid 20s.

I could make due with most of it if when FUNi started dubbing season 3 if they made an effort to be more faithful to the source material meaning more accurately adapted scripts and characterizations, along with voices that weren't just crappy soundalikes (which sounded nothing like their Ocean dub counterparts).

Hearing a green Sean Schemmel say, "It must be because I trained so hard" would've been infinitely better than "It must be my diet, I eat really wholesome foods".

[Hellspawn28]

It seems like it when it comes to the pre-Kai Funimation dub is that most fans are like "I grew up with it then it's good". Just because you grew up with it that does not make it good.

[Hades]

One thing I will never get is why people react to the dub, as badly done as it was, like it's an unholy amalgamation of Spec Ops: The Line and A Serbian Film.

Two very arcane references.

They were released within the past 4 years, so I fail to see how they are "very arcane".

[ABED]

Arcane is a synonym for "obscure". How many people have heard or seen A Serbian Film?

[Kid Buu]

Arcane is a synonym for "obscure". How many people have heard or seen A Serbian Film?

But you're Abed, you are supposed to be a master of TV/Film trivia!

Anyways, I didn't mind the actual dub voices, it was just the 24/7 music playing that annoyed me.

[ABED]

Arcane is a synonym for "obscure". How many people have heard or seen A Serbian Film?

But you're Abed, you are supposed to be a master of TV/Film trivia!

Anyways, I didn't mind the actual dub voices, it was just the 24/7 music playing that annoyed me.

Even if the voices didn't get to you, what about the dialog?

[Kid Buu]

Arcane is a synonym for "obscure". How many people have heard or seen A Serbian Film?

But you're Abed, you are supposed to be a master of TV/Film trivia!

Anyways, I didn't mind the actual dub voices, it was just the 24/7 music playing that annoyed me.

Even if the voices didn't get to you, what about the dialog?

The dialog was hit and miss for me, sometimes it was tolerable, sometimes it was flat out cringe worthy.

Popcorn People? Fish jump out of water? Amusing....but stuff like Gohan referencing Humphrey Bogart seemed silly to me.

[ABED]

That isn't even the worst of it, sadly.

[Super Sonic]

I still say the fish jumping line would've been laughed at in a Bugs Bunny cartoon. (If any of you foreigners don't know who Bugs Bunny is, he's the most popular US cartoon character pretty much).

[TheMightyOzaru]

No, I can still watch the original dub and have a good time so it's clearly not the worst. Is it bad? Yeah, it has objective problems. DBZ Kai however was a saving grace for them. They did a much better job with that and quite frankly I would love it if they redubbed Z with the new cast.

[ABED]

I still say the fish jumping line would've been laughed at in a Bugs Bunny cartoon. (If any of you foreigners don't know who Bugs Bunny is, he's the most popular US cartoon character pretty much).

I wouldn't mind it as an outtake on the DVD, but it doesn't make any sense even at the end of the movie. Vegeta's mouth isn't even moving.

[penguintruth]

(If any of you foreigners don't know who Bugs Bunny is, he's the most popular US cartoon character pretty much).

I want to know where in the world somebody could be unfamiliar with Bugs Bunny.

[kei17]

(If any of you foreigners don't know who Bugs Bunny is, he's the most popular US cartoon character pretty much).

I want to know where in the world somebody could be unfamiliar with Bugs Bunny.

North Korea and Cuba I guess.

[Super Sonic]

Also I remembered there were a few former Iron Curtain guys on here, and Didn't know if they got that after 1989. That and I have no idea where besides France, Mexico, and Japan a lot of US cartoons air. Know we often don't get Canadian toons and vice-versa.

[TheGreatness25]

Yeah it was corny and the music was different and every now and then the lines were different. But it's about what they had to work with. Firstly, the truth is that the show was not altered to the point where the story changes, in fact it was just loosely translated. Also, the names weren't changed that bad. Now, they were taking a gamble with bringing over an anime, they had to listen to what partners (if any) and the network wanted.

That was the show of my childhood. Yeah the Japanese version is better, but that's not what I raced home to watch when I was in school. The dub has a place in my childhood that will never be destroyed. I have every version of the show and like to go back and listen to the original "season 3" dub and remember "Z Day" on Toonami and how awesome it was, not with disdain. Why can't others do the same? Look, most people, I'm sure, loved the dub before "discovering" the Japanese version..as evidenced by merchandise, ratings, demand for more. I found a great place of my fandom where I can enjoy both. But whatever, if people want to crap on the dub, despite the fact that without those changes, it may have never gotten off the ground in the US (the network decides what changes it wants in order to air it), that's fine. Just know that without this evil company that "defaced" the series, nobody would know what it was, as kids nobody might enjoy it in its original form, and most fans outside Japan would never have any merchandise. Say what you will, but there has been PLENTY of opportunity to own the series INCLUDING the Japanese version thanks to them. So obviously they know there's a Japanese fan base that they "neglected" and I feel they more than made up for it.

[VegettoEX]

Why can't others do the same?

Didn't you just answer it for yourself in your description above?

For some of us, that wasn't our childhood.

[ABED]

Yeah it was corny and the music was different and every now and then the lines were different. But it's about what they had to work with. Firstly, the truth is that the show was not altered to the point where the story changes, in fact it was just loosely translated. Also, the names weren't changed that bad. Now, they were taking a gamble with bringing over an anime, they had to listen to what partners (if any) and the network wanted.

That was the show of my childhood. Yeah the Japanese version is better, but that's not what I raced home to watch when I was in school. The dub has a place in my childhood that will never be destroyed. I have every version of the show and like to go back and listen to the original "season 3" dub and remember "Z Day" on Toonami and how awesome it was, not with disdain. Why can't others do the same? Look, most people, I'm sure, loved the dub before "discovering" the Japanese version..as evidenced by merchandise, ratings, demand for more. I found a great place of my fandom where I can enjoy both. But whatever, if people want to crap on the dub, despite the fact that without those changes, it may have never gotten off the ground in the US (the network decides what changes it wants in order to air it), that's fine. Just know that without this evil company that "defaced" the series, nobody would know what it was, as kids nobody might enjoy it in its original form, and most fans outside Japan would never have any merchandise. Say what you will, but there has been PLENTY of opportunity to own the series INCLUDING the Japanese version thanks to them. So obviously they know there's a Japanese fan base that they "neglected" and I feel they more than made up for it.

They did get the major plot points but the flavor of the show was altered. Goku is more of the typical superhero archetype than the naive battle loving hick we know and love, etc. It was VERY loosely translated. I get that they needed to take networks into consideration regarding editting, but there's always the uncut videos, which were only slightly better.

And again with the "it was part of my childhood". It's not a good argument for what was done to the show. A more accurate dub could've just as easily been a part of our childhood as well. Kai has changes made to make it suitable for broadcast to children, but those changes aren't nearly as terrible as "Mondo cool!" and "we're two wild and crazy space explorers!" I'm thankful America got the show, but I seriously doubt we never would have got the show without the changes. Go online and see the sheer volume of anime you can buy.

[dbzfan7]

Isn't the Big Green dub or Malaysian dub the worst.

[Hellspawn28]

Those dubs are so bad that they are good. You can pull off a MST3K with those dubs .