Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[Kamiccolo9]

The real contradictions are these:

• Kaio's planet is back for some reason (my head canon: Kaio asked Goku to wish the planet back with the Dragon Balls)

As I see it, gods in the series seem to be able to materialize stuff. Kami brought back the moon. Kaio could conjure targets for the Genki Dama. He might have just enjoyed chilling with Goku in Heaven, and when Goku got his life back, he decided to go home.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

As I see it, gods in the series seem to be able to materialize stuff. Kami brought back the moon. Kaio could conjure targets for the Genki Dama. He might have just enjoyed chilling with Goku in Heaven, and when Goku got his life back, he decided to go home.

But since Beers destroyed the planet before, why did he have to use a piece of the planet to use it as his planet, instead of fully restoring the planet?

[Kaboom]

There's many different ways that Kaio could have gotten a new planet. Made it himself, reformed another chunk of his old planet, rewarded it by Kaioshin as thanks for help against Boo, etc...

As for Pilaf's wish... Shenlong's three wishes can be used one at at time, with shortened waiting periods between them. Perhaps Pilaf found and used the Dragon Balls at some point when there was only one wish left.

[Rocketman]

Overruled because logic. It's stated that Beers and Whis are above Vegetto and that's that. Take your ignorance and general disapproval elsewhere. I don't see what's so hard to accept about a God of destruction being stronger than a fusion of 2 Saiyans.

I don't really have a problem with Billy. It's the whole LET'S MAKE GOKU A GOD HNNNNNNGGGH GOKUUUUUUUUUUU OH YESSSSSSSS YOU ARE STRONGER THAN VEGETTO BECAUSE YOU'RE GOKUUUUUUUUUU

[TheMightyOzaru]

Overruled because logic. It's stated that Beers and Whis are above Vegetto and that's that. Take your ignorance and general disapproval elsewhere. I don't see what's so hard to accept about a God of destruction being stronger than a fusion of 2 Saiyans.

I don't really have a problem with Billy. It's the whole LET'S MAKE GOKU A GOD HNNNNNNGGGH GOKUUUUUUUUUUU OH YESSSSSSSS YOU ARE STRONGER THAN VEGETTO BECAUSE YOU'RE GOKUUUUUUUUUU

Ok, as long you don't have a problem with Billy being stronger were good. SSJ God Goku could still end up weaker than Super Vegetto since Beers is only stated to be stronger, it's not established by how much.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It's the whole LET'S MAKE GOKU A GOD HNNNNNNGGGH GOKUUUUUUUUUUU OH YESSSSSSSS YOU ARE STRONGER THAN VEGETTO BECAUSE YOU'RE GOKUUUUUUUUUU

Actually, SSG Goku is stronger than Vegetto because Super Saiyan God is the combination of 6 Saiyans' powers, while Vegetto is the combination of 2 out of the 6 Saiyans' powers.

[Kaboom]

Even then, the "Super Saiyan God' thing...

1) Is not exclusive to Goku. Vegeta already called dibs on it for next time.
2) Requires a strict procedure based on a rare set of circumstances. Until the Majin Boo arc, you could probably count all the "pure-hearted" Saiyans in the universe on one hand.
3) Isn't necessarily permanent, and would probably require undergoing the ritual again to use again.
4) Beers WANTED to fight the "Super Saiyan God," but most other enemies probably wouldn't just stand there and let Goku and friends play "ring around the rosie" for free power.

So even though it's a huge power-up, it's got ways involved to hold it back and prevent it from being cheap and abused. And it's a helluva lot better than Goku just being stronger than everyone else for no reason in GT.

[Kamiccolo9]

It's the whole LET'S MAKE GOKU A GOD HNNNNNNGGGH GOKUUUUUUUUUUU OH YESSSSSSSS YOU ARE STRONGER THAN VEGETTO BECAUSE YOU'RE GOKUUUUUUUUUU

Actually, SSG Goku is stronger than Vegetto because Super Saiyan God is the combination of 6 Saiyans' powers, while Vegetto is the combination of 2 out of the 6 Saiyans' powers.

Buuhan was the combination of a demon, a kaioshin, 3 Saiyans, and a Super Namek, and yet Vegetto was still stronger.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Buuhan was the combination of a demon, a kaioshin, 3 Saiyans, and a Super Namek, and yet Vegetto was still stronger.

Boo's absorptions work like an addition IMO, unlike Namekian merging, Fusion, Potara & Super Saiyan God.

[Kamiccolo9]

Buuhan was the combination of a demon, a kaioshin, 3 Saiyans, and a Super Namek, and yet Vegetto was still stronger.

Boo's absorptions work like an addition IMO, unlike Namekian merging, Fusion, Potara & Super Saiyan God.

It depends on whether you think that Potara fusion is superior to the SSJG ritual. I personally have no problem that the fusion technique of the actual gods is superior to the Saiyan ritual to create an artificial one.

[Rocketman]

The excuses don't matter when the end result is still ~*~*~*gokuuu*~*~*~.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Goku is the main character and he is the fan favorite over in Japan *~*~*~*Goku*~*~*~* is bound to happen. Besides, what's wrong with that anyway?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The excuses don't matter when the end result is still ~*~*~*gokuuu*~*~*~.

Obviously, the main character would be the strongest. Either way, Goku lost the power up, and returned behind Gohan & Gotenks. Hell, even Vegeta can surpass him if he gets angry to protect Bulma or Trunks.

[TheMightyOzaru]

The excuses don't matter when the end result is still ~*~*~*gokuuu*~*~*~.

Obviously, the main character would be the strongest. Either way, Goku lost the power up, and returned behind Gohan & Gotenks. Hell, even Vegeta can surpass him if he gets angry to protect Bulma or Trunks.

Lost it? It's hasn't been established he lost it. Remember he absorbed SSJ God's powers during the fight

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Remember he absorbed SSJ God's powers during the fight

And remember, he re-transformed, and the form timed-out. Not to mention that the manga (28th TB arc), GT, and DBO make it impossible for Goku to have kept the power.

He didn't keep it. Years later, in the 28th TB, Goku believed that there was a chance that Oob would beat him, and he was expecting him to be as strong as Pure Boo. In GT, Goku & Vegeta were equals (not to mention that Goku can go Super Saiyan 2, 3, and even 4, but not Super Saiyan God), and in DBO, they even went to space to settle their rivalry, which means that their powers were close. If Goku had kept the Super Saiyan God power, he would be able to beat Oob and Vegeta (from any point of time) literally with just his finger. So yeah, when he transformed into a Super Saiyan God for a second time, the power went away completely.

[TheMightyOzaru]

And he didn't keep the power in his SSJ form because...? GT isn't in BoG's timeline. Vegeta could have obtained SSJ God as well before the events of DBO.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

And he didn't keep the power in his SSJ form because...? GT isn't in BoG's timeline. Vegeta could have obtained SSJ God as well before the events of DBO.

Check Chozenshuu 4 (or at least the information we have from it). BoG & GT are in the same timeline. And Vegeta getting SSGod is an assumption that can't be proven. But even if you ignore GT & DBO, you can't ignore the manga. Goku expected Oob to be as strong as Pure Boo, he wanted to fight him with 100% of his power, and he believed there was a chance that he would loose (of course, it turned out that Oob required training to learn to use that power, but that's not what we are talking about now). If Goku had kept the power of the Super Saiyan God, then he should be able to defeat Oob (said that Oob had turned out what he expected) with just his finger, in base, without even trying. Not to mention that Vegeta said that if he & Goku were to fight, they would need a whole planet instead of the ring, and Vegeta still believed that he could show Goku defeat. If Goku had kept the power, then the ring would be too big for their fight, not to mention that Vegeta wouldn't be able to reach Goku's power ever. It's impossible for Goku to be that strong during the 28th TB, and even its two different sequels (GT & DBO) support this.

[TheMightyOzaru]

In Shuiesha's, which I don't count.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

In Shuiesha's, which I don't count.

Still, what do you have to say about what I said for 28th TB Goku?

[Kamiccolo9]

There's still Goku thinking he might lose against Uub. No way he could possibly lose if he had kept the SSJG power.