Am I the only one with thinks Battle of Gods isn't that good
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Re: Am I the only one with thinks Battle of Gods isn't that
^Was that necessary? Please enlighten me, what is wrong with such an assumption.
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Re: Am I the only one with thinks Battle of Gods isn't that
You'd think people would notice Videl's abdomen glowing.
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You're going overboard to justify the nonsense that is BOG.TheMightyOzaru wrote:^Was that necessary? Please enlighten me, what is wrong with such an assumption.
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Why? Is a SSJ fetus giving energy anymore ridiculous than a fetus giving energy in general.hleV wrote:You're going overboard to justify the nonsense that is BOG.TheMightyOzaru wrote:^Was that necessary? Please enlighten me, what is wrong with such an assumption.
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Re: Am I the only one with thinks Battle of Gods isn't that
Perhaps the light from the other Super Saiyans passed through Pan, and Pan's energy passed to Goku through their light. If you have seen the scene, you will see that Videl/Pan was covered with the golden aura of the Super Saiyans, and after a while, the aura turned blue, and the Saiyans, along with Pan inside Videl (but not Videl) started glowing. Which IMO means that if Super Saiyan is really a requirement, then the majority of the 6 Saiyans should be Super Saiyans (the targeted Saiyan MUST be a Super Saiyan though, I suppose).Zephyr wrote:If the light is referring to SSj ki, then how did fetus Pan have any "light" to infuse?
No... just... no...TheMightyOzaru wrote:Pan was a SSJ, not very hard to believe with Goten and Trunks being SSJs.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Am I the only one with thinks Battle of Gods isn't that
What is so damn hard to believe about that? It's no more ridiculous than a fetus giving energy in general like I already stated.
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Re: Am I the only one with thinks Battle of Gods isn't that
You think as a fetusTheMightyOzaru wrote:^Was that necessary? Please enlighten me, what is wrong with such an assumption.
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I think Trunks and Goten were born SSJs. They had no trauma to cause a transformation, they just sorta had it so it leads me to believe they were born with it.
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Re: Am I the only one with thinks Battle of Gods isn't that
No need to get angry. It is more ridiculous then giving energy when you're a fetus. That's a new low for Dbz's SSJ form. That would be like Pan being BORN SSJ. Which is just plain up stupid IMO,.TheMightyOzaru wrote:What is so damn hard to believe about that? It's no more ridiculous than a fetus giving energy in general like I already stated.
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It's really not that ridiculous. The Super Saiyan ki required isn't about having a lot of it, merely the ki from six different sources. Each person's ki is its own unique wave-length. Pan has a still-developing physical form and a soul from which ki can be created. Through Videl a piece of her ki was infused in Gokuu, just like with the others. Voila, Super Saiyan God.
A big deal, this is not.
A big deal, this is not.
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Trunks we know for show they wasn't born SSJ. Chi Chi learned about Goten SSj through training(Anime filler but stated in the manga without the flashback). So we know Goten wasn't born with it. Maybe Goten got it from fighting Trunks during their play fighting. Vegeta wasn't even SSJ when Trunks was born. Trunks being ssj was for plot's sake tbh. Back to the point. Trunks might of gotten it from watching his father or once again fighting with Goten. So after he was 5 but before he was 8. I highly doubt they was born with it.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I think Trunks and Goten were born SSJs. They had no trauma to cause a transformation, they just sorta had it so it leads me to believe they were born with it.
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JulieYBM wrote:It's really not that ridiculous. The Super Saiyan ki required isn't about having a lot of it, merely the ki from six different sources. Each person's ki is its own unique wave-length. Pan has a still-developing physical form and a soul from which ki can be created. Through Videl a piece of her ki was infused in Gokuu, just like with the others. Voila, Super Saiyan God.
A big deal, this is not.
So you agree with Pan being born SSJ or you're making a point about everyone having differ energy?
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But it's officially confirmed that they were NOT born Super Saiyans, they were born with the ability to master it at young age. Which means that they could easily trigger the transformation, not that they were born with it.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I think Trunks and Goten were born SSJs.
Pan is barely a thing. I can't accept her as a Super Saiyan at that point, not to mention that if she was a Super Saiyan in the 28th TB, Toriyama would probably show he as one.
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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The latter, although I don't think it matters whether or not the former is true. Shenlong never says they need ki from Super Saiyans.TheGmGoken wrote:JulieYBM wrote:It's really not that ridiculous. The Super Saiyan ki required isn't about having a lot of it, merely the ki from six different sources. Each person's ki is its own unique wave-length. Pan has a still-developing physical form and a soul from which ki can be created. Through Videl a piece of her ki was infused in Gokuu, just like with the others. Voila, Super Saiyan God.
A big deal, this is not.
So you agree with Pan being born SSJ or you're making a point about everyone having differ energy?
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Why the heck you advocate SSJs being required for the ritual then? 5 SSJ's and one base Saiyan fetus shouldn't get the job done.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:But it's officially confirmed that they were NOT born Super Saiyans, they were born with the ability to master it at young age. Which means that they could easily trigger the transformation, not that they were born with it.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I think Trunks and Goten were born SSJs.
Pan is barely a thing. I can't accept her as a Super Saiyan at that point, not to mention that if she was a Super Saiyan in the 28th TB, Toriyama would probably show he as one.
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Read my post again, I said that I believe that the targeted Super Saiyan God and the majority of the other 5 Saiyans must be Super Saiyans.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Why the heck you advocate SSJs being required for the ritual then? 5 SSJ's and one base Saiyan fetus shouldn't get the job done.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Why though? This kinda logic tells me that SSJ God Goku was incomplete since a base Saiyan fetus was used to fuel that form.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Read my post again, I said that I believe that the targeted Super Saiyan God and the majority of the other 5 Saiyans must be Super Saiyans.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Why the heck you advocate SSJs being required for the ritual then? 5 SSJ's and one base Saiyan fetus shouldn't get the job done.
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... Re-read my post. Specifically the first two sentences.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Why though? This kinda logic tells me that SSJ God Goku was incomplete since a base Saiyan fetus was used to fuel that form.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Perhaps the light from the other Super Saiyans passed through Pan, and Pan's energy passed to Goku through their light. If you have seen the scene, you will see that Videl/Pan was covered with the golden aura of the Super Saiyans, and after a while, the aura turned blue, and the Saiyans, along with Pan inside Videl (but not Videl) started glowing.Zephyr wrote:If the light is referring to SSj ki, then how did fetus Pan have any "light" to infuse?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Works for me I guess....
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Shenron said you need 6 saiyans. He never said SUPER SAIYANS. If I recall correctly they was going to ask Tarble. Last time I check Tarble isn't SSJ. [img]http://img_1.mangapicgallery.com/r/newpiclink/dragonball_heya_son_goku_and_his_friends_ret/1/5bd5b4ad7bc59e6abad338c4127e0c3c.jpeg?1[/img] So Pan is not needed to be SSJ. IF Tarble would have worked I'm pretty sure Pan would. Tarble isn't exactly strong. Most likely we can use the logic her energy combined with the Supa Saiyajin's ki which made her appear ssj since her ki is overwhelmed by it.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Why the heck you advocate SSJs being required for the ritual then? 5 SSJ's and one base Saiyan fetus shouldn't get the job done.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:But it's officially confirmed that they were NOT born Super Saiyans, they were born with the ability to master it at young age. Which means that they could easily trigger the transformation, not that they were born with it.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I think Trunks and Goten were born SSJs.
Pan is barely a thing. I can't accept her as a Super Saiyan at that point, not to mention that if she was a Super Saiyan in the 28th TB, Toriyama would probably show he as one.