VIZ 3-in-1 Editions Coming Summer 2013

[Mewzard]

Ah-ha! Well, you've already explained it to me on Twitter. That's what I get for basing my reply on news from a couple days ago without reading further.

Well, I didn't know if you were going to check back or not, lol. The problem with not being a thread creator is...when you correct info, the topic isn't updated to reflect that very often, and therefore, people keep going with what the more initial stuff says. Once you start getting into 10-15 posts correcting the same mistake, that's when it gets frustrating.

I hope they do fix it soon, because I'd love a nice uncut reading copy. I'd prefer if they were done like the Vizbigs or Kanzenbans (hell, I'd love something like Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin's Aizobans), but I'll take what I can get as a fan.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Censored after all, eh? Guess I'll just read the colorized stuff in Weekly Jump and not buy this new edition.

Viz said it was meant to be uncut and some stuff was left in. Gotta read the topic a little closer, lol.

I don't get this. Everything I've read and seen so far has been the same as the VizBig.

Can somebody please tell me bits of censorship in the VizBigs? It's easier for me to know the edits in the VizBig than to go through the entirety of both books.

[Mewzard]

Censored after all, eh? Guess I'll just read the colorized stuff in Weekly Jump and not buy this new edition.

Viz said it was meant to be uncut and some stuff was left in. Gotta read the topic a little closer, lol.

I don't get this. Everything I've read and seen so far has been the same as the VizBig.

Can somebody please tell me bits of censorship in the VizBigs? It's easier for me to know the edits in the VizBig than to go through the entirety of both books.

I'm betting Viz has various versions of their manga available and just grabbed the wrong file, or had to mix and match pages and something went wrong. Kinda like how Funimation was doing both uncut and TV edited Kai at the same time, and sometimes lines went into the wrong version, leading to some amusing TV moments/questionable DVD lines.

[Saiga]

After seeing the comparison with the VizBigs, I am glad I went with the VizBigs. I want an uncensored release mainly for principle, rather than actually seeing what was censored, and it isn't worth sacrificing the advantages the VizBigs have. Now I just have to wait for volume 4 & 5 to be reprinted... does anyone know how long they usually take, and when 4 & 5 when out of print?

[Jawdrahb]

I think mine had already shipped by the time I discovered it was partially-censored and now that I've got it, I'm considering returning or exchanging for the reprint. Does anybody know how, when and where they'll be rereleasing?

By my count, compared against scanned volumes of the Kanzenban, pages 143-144, 235, 286 and 463 are censored. As the original ero-sennin pointed out, it's Bulma swearing and some of the panels involving nudity that are censored, not all of them.

Forbidden Planet in the UK are still expecting stock. I wonder what're the chances of theirs being reprints...

[dbboxkaifan]

I'd be willing to pay £8.99 but not if it's still censored and b/w. First impressions are very important and in that matter Viz already failed.

[Zenkai]

(and then I wonder why other aspects of the series don't bother you more)

It's fantasy and action.

Watching violence is not a problem unless it makes you want to beat someone up.

[Kid Buu]

By the way, does anyone know how the Invisible Man gag scene was censored in the VizBig?

I think I'm gonna opt for the VizBig, I tried to read a 3-1 at the bookstore and hated the feel of it.

[Saiga]

By the way, does anyone know how the Invisible Man gag scene was censored in the VizBig?

I think I'm gonna opt for the VizBig, I tried to read a 3-1 at the bookstore and hated the feel of it.

I believe she is wearing a bra.

[DBZ Mick]

^
Yep, that's right.

[Kid Buu]

Kind of ruins the funny part of the moment, but I think I'll live.

Does anyone have a scan of it, if that's allowed?

[DBZ Mick]

If it's allowed, I could, but it'll be in crappy quality...

[Kid Buu]

You can always PM it to me.

[SSJJezter]

(and then I wonder why other aspects of the series don't bother you more)

It's fantasy and action.

Watching violence is not a problem unless it makes you want to beat someone up.

I don't really want to keep this argument going, but surely by that logic, nudity is not a problem unless it makes a kid want to have sex, harass girls or masturbate when they are young. And somehow I don't see that happening as a result of reading uncensored manga.

[rereboy]

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but the age of sexual consent in most of Japan is at 13 years old. And in most of the world, the age of sexual consent is under 16 or at 16. The USA (some states) actually have one of the highest ages of consent.

So, Bulma, sexually, in Japan and in most of the world is pretty much an adult.

[Fizzer]

Clothing is something that humans invented, and the idea that some parts of the body are inherently evil and should be covered up at all times (in humans only, in fact) is a social construct based on nothing. A long time ago, everyone was always naked, so clearly there is no objective link between nudity and sex. It's because we make such a big deal out of it, sticking "age ratings" on nudity and trying to trick children into believing that breasts don't exist that each successive generation also makes a big deal out of it. We make it a big deal. By treating some parts of the body differently you cause people to obsess over them, and end up creating sex criminals.

If you got rid of all this crap (hypothetically, as it's all too ingrained into our society now), the next generation of people would just end up like "Oh, that's a hand. Oh, that's a vulva. Oh, that's a nose" and not give a crap. Children don't care about it when they're young, and then we fill their brains up with it. Basically what I'm saying is, exposing children to a drawing of some boobs is much less harmful than obsessing over "protecting" them from something which is actually no more "evil" than their own elbow. If a parent takes away their child's copy of Dragon Ball volume 1 because it has breasts in it, they're the one doing any damage.

That's my small contribution to the debate. Since this isn't what the thread is about, I don't intend to post about it again.

[dbboxkaifan]

It's fantasy and action.

Watching violence is not a problem unless it makes you want to beat someone up.

Maybe if he or she is an MRF/MRM, then that's an issue.

[Zenkai]

(and then I wonder why other aspects of the series don't bother you more)

It's fantasy and action.

Watching violence is not a problem unless it makes you want to beat someone up.

I don't really want to keep this argument going, but surely by that logic, nudity is not a problem unless it makes a kid want to have sex, harass girls or masturbate when they are young. And somehow I don't see that happening as a result of reading uncensored manga.

No. You do not understand the difference. Pornography is intrinsically wrong. Whether or not it makes you lust or masturbate is irrelevant. Watching violence is not intrinsically wrong.

I don't think the Bulma scene really counts as pornography, but it's still a nude teenage girl. Surely that can't be good.

[Gyt Kaliba]

No. You do not understand the difference. Pornography is intrinsically wrong. Whether or not it makes you lust or masturbate is irrelevant. Watching violence is not intrinsically wrong.

I don't think the Bulma scene really counts as pornography, but it's still a nude teenage girl. Surely that can't be good.

...I...what...

I'm sorry, I know this is off topic, and it's your opinion, but please, step back here for a minute and look at you words with me here. 'Porn is intrinsically wrong, but violence is not'. So are you saying, are you really saying, that you'd object more to someone watching a very basic porn video, as in nobody is doing anything bizarre, just plain basic sex...than you would object to somebody looking up a video of people getting shot in real life, and watching the blood and gore flow? Because that's what your words are expressing here, whether that's really how you meant it, and I find that logic literally impossible to agree with much less even follow it's trail.

[Zenkai]

No. You do not understand the difference. Pornography is intrinsically wrong. Whether or not it makes you lust or masturbate is irrelevant. Watching violence is not intrinsically wrong.

I don't think the Bulma scene really counts as pornography, but it's still a nude teenage girl. Surely that can't be good.

...I...what...

I'm sorry, I know this is off topic, and it's your opinion, but please, step back here for a minute and look at you words with me here. 'Porn is intrinsically wrong, but violence is not'. So are you saying, are you really saying, that you'd object more to someone watching a very basic porn video, as in nobody is doing anything bizarre, just plain basic sex...than you would object to somebody looking up a video of people getting shot in real life, and watching the blood and gore flow? Because that's what your words are expressing here, whether that's really how you meant it, and I find that logic literally impossible to agree with much less even follow it's trail.

I wasn't talking about real violence.

We're discussing Dragon Ball. Dragon Ball is not real-life. Put 2 and 2 together.