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Re: Why do you dislike BoG?

Post by Vice » Fri May 31, 2013 10:59 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:He is, actually. Yep, someone couldn't handle the new generation doing stuff, so they had to have Goku hold their hands from the dead.
They failed, dude. They had the reigns handed to them and they literally failed. Both in story and out.

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Re: Why do you dislike BoG?

Post by dbzfan7 » Fri May 31, 2013 11:48 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:When has DBZ ever been about the animation, lets be honest here. @Vice, I still believe Gohan should have been the hero at the end of the day. Yeah let Goku and Vegeta be revived and all but I think Pure Buu should have been much stronger than Goku or Vegeta imagined and they should have brought Gohan and Gotenks over to finish the job. It would symbolize a sort of passing the torch on to their sons.
I think the ending could still be the Genki-Dama, just rewrite Kid Boo at Bootenks level or lower and have Gohan and Gotenks fight him off while Goku does the Genki-Dama. IDk i'm just spitballing. I think having Genki-Dama save the day was a great way to end DBZ. My problem is that Goku's whole point in the Boo saga was basically discarded at the end as he didn't pass things on to the next generation and never does.
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Re: Why do you dislike BoG?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Fri May 31, 2013 11:52 pm

I like how it normally ends too but they built Gohan up for nothing =/.
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Re: Why do you dislike BoG?

Post by Vice » Fri May 31, 2013 11:54 pm

Why are people so upset about that? Gohan already had his moment. He was given more than any other character not named Goku, why do people feel that he's entitled to more?

Despite everything Gohan got, this is Goku's series.

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Re: Why do you dislike BoG?

Post by Rocketman » Fri May 31, 2013 11:56 pm

Vice wrote:Uh, what's the alternative? Gohan? Been there, done that. Didn't really work out. Goten/Trunks? Pretty sure nobody wants that. Vegeta/Piccolo? Yeah, that ain't happening.
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Or to be frank for a second, why not Vegeta and Piccolo? Even Gohan deserves more than what shit like BoG and GT give him.

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Re: Why do you dislike BoG?

Post by Vice » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:00 am

Vegetto will never get the spotlight again because of the asspulls it would take to split him apart again.

Piccolo has been treated like shit since the Cell Games and Vegeta's never had a bone thrown to him.

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Re: Why do you dislike BoG?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:03 am

Why do you have such a hard on for Vegetto? Anyway, Vegetto isn't happening again. Vegeta would never comply. While I wouldn't be opposed to Vegeta being the hero, it happening while making some degree of sense is highly unlikely. Piccolo? Lolno. If Toriyama hadn't set up Gohan to be pacifistic slacker, I wouldn't be opposed to a little more Gohan action.
Vice wrote:Why are people so upset about that? Gohan already had his moment. He was given more than any other character not named Goku, why do people feel that he's entitled to more?

Despite everything Gohan got, this is Goku's series.
Toriyama had planned to change that though, Gohan was set up only to get knocked down. Gohan was knocked off his pedestal by Toriyama's quick change of mind or an editor that felt Gohan shouldn't be the hero for some reason. Either way it's poor writing to see so much character development for absolutely nothing.
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Re: Why do you dislike BoG?

Post by Kid Buu » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:04 am

Whatever happened to Uub being Goku's successor? No hope for him?
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Re: Why do you dislike BoG?

Post by Vice » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:07 am

TheMightyOzaru wrote: Toriyama had planned to change that though, Gohan was set up only to get knocked down. Gohan was knocked off his pedestal by Toriyama's quick change of mind or an editor that felt Gohan shouldn't be the hero for some reason. Either way it's poor writing to see so much character development for absolutely nothing.
That and he was just flat unpopular as the main character.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:08 am

Kid Buu wrote:Whatever happened to Uub being Goku's successor? No hope for him?
Only GT screwed the pooch on that one. We never see what became of Uub in the Manga's timeline.
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Re: Why do you dislike BoG?

Post by Vice » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:09 am

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Piccolo? Lolno.
C'mon bro, so disrespectful.

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Re: Why do you dislike BoG?

Post by Makaioshin » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:10 am

Kid Buu wrote:Whatever happened to Uub being Goku's successor? No hope for him?
It is an older series so it is easier to just use the main cast as is without taking time to develop a new hero. That was the case for this movie at least. Maybe we'll get to see him in some future material but they might not want to write around GT.

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Re: Why do you dislike BoG?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:14 am

Vice wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Piccolo? Lolno.
C'mon bro, so disrespectful.
What? I like Piccolo as much as the next guy but he is gonna have to fuse with a lot of Namekians to get anywhere near useful.
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Re: Why do you dislike BoG?

Post by Kid Buu » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:14 am

Makaioshin wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:Whatever happened to Uub being Goku's successor? No hope for him?
It is an older series so it is easier to just use the main cast as is without taking time to develop a new hero. That was the case for this movie at least. Maybe we'll get to see him in some future material but they might not want to write around GT.
Doesn't BoG already write around GT?
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Re: Why do you dislike BoG?

Post by Makaioshin » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:48 am

Kid Buu wrote:Doesn't BoG already write around GT?
Maybe but not in the same way as a direct continuation of the manga's ending would.
TheMightyOzaru wrote:What? I like Piccolo as much as the next guy but he is gonna have to fuse with a lot of Namekians to get anywhere near useful.
Well, to make the main character the strongest they just made up something. They could do that with anyone if they wanted.

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Re: Why do you dislike BoG?

Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:49 am

TheMightyOzaru wrote:I like how it normally ends too but they built Gohan up for nothing =/.
Exactly. It makes his whole set up from Raditz to Boo seem worthless in the end as it lead to nothing.
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Re: Why do you dislike BoG?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:50 am

It would just feel out of place if Piccolo was suddenly the one fighting the God of destruction instead of 1 of the main 3.
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TheMightyOzaru wrote:I like how it normally ends too but they built Gohan up for nothing =/.
Exactly. It makes his whole set up from Raditz to Boo seem worthless in the end as it lead to nothing.
Gohan does have one thing going for him I suppose. He is the strongest non-fused character by the end of the series. That counts for something I suppose. I also can't fault Gohan too much since he had no idea Buu could absorb people.
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Re: Why do you dislike BoG?

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:It would just feel out of place if Piccolo was suddenly the one fighting the God of destruction instead of 1 of the main 3.
Maybe not fighting, but he could come up with plans or something. Piccolo's pretty consistently touted as one of the most intelligent characters, but after his fight with Imperfect Cell, he just kinda gets dropped. Then he gets stuck babysitting in the Buu Arc.
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Re: Why do you dislike BoG?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:53 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:It would just feel out of place if Piccolo was suddenly the one fighting the God of destruction instead of 1 of the main 3.
Maybe not fighting, but he could come up with plans or something. Piccolo's pretty consistently touted as one of the most intelligent characters, but after his fight with Imperfect Cell, he just kinda gets dropped. Then he gets stuck babysitting in the Buu Arc.
Now that I can get behind.
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Re: Why do you dislike BoG?

Post by Vice » Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:00 am

dbzfan7 wrote:Exactly. It makes his whole set up from Raditz to Boo seem worthless in the end as it lead to nothing.
Uh, no. He had the Cell Games.

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