Do people here think FUNimation's Z Dub is the worst dub?

[Gaffer Tape]

Well, and I may be misinterpreting his argument, but he seems to be advocating that the inherent Japaneseyness of the music somehow intrudes on the natural tonalities and cadences of English speech, which, while I admit is something I do not even remotely agree with, is such an original line of thought I can't help but be somewhat impressed, and I mean that. It's certainly a change of pace from the same old arguments.

[ABED]

Now that you mention it, I'm also impressed.

[90sDBZ]

Well another thing I thought of is the taste in music the English-speaking and even a lot of the non-English speaking fans seem to have. If you go on Youtube and search up some DBZ AMVs you'll immediately notice that the vast majority of them have heavy metal music playing which gives off a similar feeling to what Faulconer gave off a lot of the time. So it's clear that it isn't just the Funi Z dub fans that feel a hardcore heavy metal style of music fits with DBZ. A lot of the videos are posted by fans from countries that kept Kikuchi's score.

Why make a music video to orchestral music? Plus, you can fit almost anything to a music video.

Well a lot of those music videos on Youtube are just plain fight scenes with heavy metal playing over them. If orchestral music fits so well then I don't see why someone couldn't make a music video with it playing. And you say that almost anything can fit well with a music video but isn't that essentially the same as saying that you could make any music fit with DBZ seeing as the only thing in those videos is scenes from the show anyway? And it wasn't just Faulconer who came up with the logic that metal fit with DBZ but also Toonami and Cartoon Network in lots of their promos. Look at this one for example which was the first ever promo for DBZ on Cartoon Network UK before Faulconer's episodes were ever aired.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lBy3HtO5qU

[ABED]

How many music videos on MTV did you see that were orchestral? I think people just wanted to see DBZ next to their favorite songs. I love Metallica and think they have plenty of great songs that would go great with DB. It doesn't mean I want it used in the movies. Plus music videos use a series of images, it's not like scoring, and it's a different purpose. It's done for fun, where as scoring is used to aid in getting the audience into the scene. Anyone can take images and make any sort of music video they want. I'm sure someone could take clips and make a video for "White Wedding" by Billy Idol. That means nothing. Hell, I'm sure someone could make a video where it showed a deep romantic connection between Goku and Vegeta. Taking clips out of context for the purpose of a 3-4 minute video proves nothing. If you don't believe me, watch an episode of Community called "Paradigms of Human Memory".

[Hades]

One thing I will never get is why people react to the dub, as badly done as it was, like it's an unholy amalgamation of Spec Ops: The Line and A Serbian Film.

Because it is, that's why.

I was parodying the overreaction towards the first/second Funimation dub, as though people were expecting Journey to The West and they were disappointed, which leads to exaggeration.

[dbzfan7]

I still got to say the Malaysian Dub is by far the worst.

I say this again because I have recently watched several clips and have been laughing so hard at the fail. I suggest anyone who hasn't seen it to watch.

[Hellspawn28]

I find I have a hard time tolerating balls to the wall mindless action (a la the Resident Evil films or Transformers).

Fixed for you . The Malaysian Dubs are so bad that they are good. Yeah they are bad, but you can have fun watching them by making jokes with friends. You can't do that with the Funi dub.

[Ringworm128]

I'm totally not saying that you couldn't get something out of Faulconer's score. You clearly did. That's awesome... but I don't think you can pin its success so much on that.

There were/are just too many other factors in play. Kids are pretty accepting of things, but they're also pretty fickle... particularly when it comes to "old" things. And it's not just kids! It's tough to get adults to watch old things, too... unless said old things are from their own time. It's weird. I know. Just stick with me .

When I was a kid I never really had a problem with old stuff, a lot of the games I played were from the N64, SNES and NES and I enjoyed movies like Ghostbusters and Star Wars, even a good chunk of my favorite songs were either from before I was born or from when I was too young too remember and all of that remains the same to this day, My nephew is the same, he plays and watches stuff from before he was born.

[Gaffer Tape]

I find I have a hard time tolerating balls to the wall mindless action (a la the new Star Trek films or Transformers).

Fixed for you . The Malaysian Dubs are so bad that they are good. Yeah they are bad, but you can have fun watching them by making jokes with friends. You can't do that with the Funi dub.

Thank you, but it was absolutely fine the way it was. Fixed back.

When I was a kid I never really had a problem with old stuff, a lot of the games I played were from the N64, SNES and NES and I enjoyed movies like Ghostbusters and Star Wars, even a good chunk of my favorite songs were either from before I was born or from when I was too young too remember and all of that remains the same to this day, My nephew is the same, he plays and watches stuff from before he was born.

Again, same here... well, although N64, SNES, and NES were contemporary with me growing up, but you get the idea. I've always liked old stuff.

[dbzfan7]

The Malaysian Dubs are so bad that they are good. Yeah they are bad, but you can have fun watching them by making jokes with friends. You can't do that with the Funi dub.

Eactly. I can enjoy watching this dub even though its terrible.The poor english and voices are hilarious.

[kei17]

The Malaysian Dubs are so bad that they are good. Yeah they are bad, but you can have fun watching them by making jokes with friends. You can't do that with the Funi dub.

Eactly. I can enjoy watching this dub even though its terrible.The poor english and voices are hilarious.

Also, its script is semi-faithful to the original except for some silly name changes. It's just grammatically wrong.

[Ringworm128]

I find I have a hard time tolerating balls to the wall mindless action (a la the Resident Evil films or Transformers).

Fixed for you . The Malaysian Dubs are so bad that they are good. Yeah they are bad, but you can have fun watching them by making jokes with friends. You can't do that with the Funi dub.

Personally I think the "Big Green" dub is better when it comes to something you can poke fun at, the Malaysian dub is worse artistic and production wise but the whole punch line of it is "hahaha they all sound like a bunch of monotone Malaysian guys who can barely speak English". But the AB dub is an interesting kind of bad, there are just so many weird choices with it that it's like they put effort into making a bad dub. From Korin being a chick who calls "herself" "The Mistress of The Tower" to almost everyone sounding like they were voiced by Orson Welles not to mention lines like the infamous "let that child alone". There is just so much in that dub you could make fun of to the point where you could probably study it.

[Attitudefan]

To anyone who wonders what Faulconer score would sound like as an orchestra: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqco9n11 ... &index=129

[ABED]

To anyone who wonders what Faulconer score would sound like as an orchestra: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqco9n11 ... &index=129

Cool, and admittedly far better than what appeared in the show, but I still think Kikuchi's score captures the essence of Toriyama's work better.

[DBZ Mick]

Interesting experiment but I have to agree with ABED. I don't think this music captures the essence of Dragonball but it certainly sounds better than Faulconer's originals...

[TheGmGoken]

Well another thing I thought of is the taste in music the English-speaking and even a lot of the non-English speaking fans seem to have. If you go on Youtube and search up some DBZ AMVs you'll immediately notice that the vast majority of them have heavy metal music playing which gives off a similar feeling to what Faulconer gave off a lot of the time. So it's clear that it isn't just the Funi Z dub fans that feel a hardcore heavy metal style of music fits with DBZ. A lot of the videos are posted by fans from countries that kept Kikuchi's score.

Why make a music video to orchestral music? Plus, you can fit almost anything to a music video.

Well a lot of those music videos on Youtube are just plain fight scenes with heavy metal playing over them. If orchestral music fits so well then I don't see why someone couldn't make a music video with it playing. And you say that almost anything can fit well with a music video but isn't that essentially the same as saying that you could make any music fit with DBZ seeing as the only thing in those videos is scenes from the show anyway? And it wasn't just Faulconer who came up with the logic that metal fit with DBZ but also Toonami and Cartoon Network in lots of their promos. Look at this one for example which was the first ever promo for DBZ on Cartoon Network UK before Faulconer's episodes were ever aired.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lBy3HtO5qU

I make amvs. A-lot of my amv youtube and amv website buddies who edits dbz with lots of type of rock music or heavy metal because it's easier to fit. It's also much easier to get into the music and understand the emotion of the character. Trust me a lot and mean damn near 70% maybe higher Dbz editors don't like Bruce Faulconer. Most of us like the original BGM or the Kai score. It's just plain up harder to edit with orchestral music mainly cause due how long it takes to make them it might get annoying after awhile or it's harder to understand. Regardless if it fit with the series or not but it's mainly because of how we edit and what do we want with our amvs. Take it like this. You like cheese on your bread. Well assuming you do as most people do. You don't like bread on your cheese. Pretty much some thing but in a differ style. I hope I increase your knowledge of how amvs work in terms of music picking.

[TheGmGoken]

I still got to say the Malaysian Dub is by far the worst.

I say this again because I have recently watched several clips and have been laughing so hard at the fail. I suggest anyone who hasn't seen it to watch.

You got to be joking! Malaysian and Big Green are the best dubs out there. Best actors ever(Still got out voice act me through lol)

[TheGmGoken]

For a stereotyped dbz episode Bruce fits better
For the actual series I think the original fits better

[Fionordequester]

And to that, I would counter and say that, while Shunsuke's music fit fairly well with Dragon Ball, and doesn't even sound that bad in Z (well, at least until say, the Buu saga, though I will admit to only seeing a few of it), the music just seems very uncreatively placed, it overuses silence to the point where silence lost much of it's punch as a meaningful musical technique (even in places where it otherwise would've been awesome, like here...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQPYMomcoEs), it reuses music even in places where it REALLY should have new music (such as Goku's SSJ Transformations, or Vegeta's first transformation into a SSJ), and, I don't know whether it's just not my style of music or whatever, or whether it's compositions aren't as well done as the Team Faulconer version, or whether the rhythm of the songs isn't as catchy as Team Faulconer's stuff, but...I don't know, I just can't get invested in it even all of Kai and around 20-30 Episodes of Z with it...

Of course, I have seen ALL of Dragon Ball Z with Faulconer's stuff, so maybe I just haven't given the Japanese score enough time to sink in. But I remember in the dub, there was this distinct feeling that, like the cast of DBZ, the score was constantly evolving and changing, from a very airy, emotional feel in the Frieza Arc, to a more metal, techno feel in the Cell Arc, to a sort of mixed feel in the Buu Saga that added in orchestral elements while still somehow becoming even MORE techno...

The Japanese score? Well, it got new music in the Buu Saga, I know that for sure...but the feel of the music didn't REALLY change, like it did for FUNI Z and say, Yu Yu Hakusho. It still sounded more-or-less the same to me (though again, I haven't actually watched that much from that Saga, so this could be totally wrong).

And then I guess, if nothing else, Faulconer's score definitely goes along better with the fight scenes, with how much more frantic and mickey-moused it is.

[ABED]

To that I would counter with DBZ and DB aren't two very different shows. Yeah it changes over time but they aren't radically different, much less require different music. Could Kikuchi have come up with something new for Goku's first transformation? Sure, but I think that music fit the moment perfectly. It conveys the mystery and the danger of that moment because the audience that doesn't know the story should be weary about what's happening. The first thing he does after transforming is yell at his son and tell him not to piss him off, if I recall. The feeling I get from Faulconer is "this moment is badass". I certainly don't think his music fits the fight scenes better.

I gotta ask, you think the music changed for Yu Yu Hakusho? They added a handful of new cues over time, but it's basically the same music from beginning to end. Most of the characters and Dragon Ball are fairly static. A few make some shifts, such as Piccolo and Vegeta, but Goku, Gohan, Tenshinhan, Muten Roshi, and Kuririn don't really change all that much. Yeah, Kuririn and Tenshinhan change from when we're first introduced to them, but they change fairly quickly.