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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:59 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:1. Cooler vs:
-Androids 19 and 20
-Mecha Freeza
-Mecha Freeza and King Cold

2. Metal Cooler vs:
-Initial Imperfect Cell
-Android 18
-Android 17

3. Super 13 vs:
-Imperfect Cell

4. Broly Movie 8 vs:
-Perfect Cell (full power)
-Bojack (can transform)

5. Bojack vs:
-Perfect Cell (full power)
-Dabura (Bojack is restricted to base)
-Dabura (Bojack can transform)

6. Broly Movie 10 vs:
-Super Perfect Cell
-Good Buu

7. Bio Broly vs:
-Cell Junior

9. Bills vs:
-Omega Shenron
1. Cooler in all 3 cases
2. Meta Cooler in all 3 cases
3. Super 13 unless Cell gets a Zenkai
4. Cell and Bojack
5. Cell, Dabura, and Bojack unless Dabura spit on him
6. Super Perfect Cell and Good Buu
7. Cell Junior
8. ?
9. Beers
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:11 am

That was just me mislabeling it. Fix'd. At first I thought that Omega would stomp Bills, but after actually thinking about it in logical terms, rather than power scaling ones... Bills and Whis are way, way beyond any other Dragon Ball character. Speed trillions of times faster than light, anyone?

More movie character match-ups, cause their power is always so cryptic...

1. Turles vs:
-first form Freeza (can use 1 fruit)
-Recoome (no fruit)
-Nail (no fruit)
-Wings

2. Lord Slug vs:
-Nailccolo
-third for Freeza
-Vegeta (final Namek zenkai)

3. Cooler's Armored Squadron vs:
-Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu (end of Z)

4. Cooler vs:
-Future Gohan
-Namek Goku
-Future Trunks (Mecha Arc)
-Yardrat Goku

5. Androids 13, 14, and 15 vs:
-Future Androids 17 and 18
-1 Metal Cooler
-2 Metal Coolers

6. Broly Movie 8 vs:
-Pikkon
-SS1 Goku (Buu Saga)

7. Gogeta vs:
-Buuhan (can use SS1)
-Buuhan (can use SS2)
-Buuhan (can use SS3)
-Ultimate Gohan (can use SS1)
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:23 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:That was just me mislabeling it. Fix'd. At first I thought that Omega would stomp Bills, but after actually thinking about it in logical terms, rather than power scaling ones... Bills and Whis are way, way beyond any other Dragon Ball character. Speed trillions of times faster than light, anyone?

More movie character match-ups, cause their power is always so cryptic...
1. Tullece vs:
-first form Freeza (can use 1 fruit)
-Recoome (no fruit)
-Nail (no fruit)
-Wings
Didn't it take him 2 fruits to get around Freeza's level? If so, then Freeza stomps.
I have them about equal, but Recoome is a tank, so I think he's got this. Unless Tullece pulls out a power ball and transforms.
I think that Nail would win, unless Tullece transforms.
No idea who wings is.
2. Lord Slug vs:
-Nailccolo
-third for Freeza
-Vegeta (final Namek zenkai)
Slug takes all three. I have him slightly stronger than Final Form Freeza.
3. Cooler's Armored Squadron vs:
-Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu (end of Z)
Cooler's henchmen stomp. Unless Krillin and Tien do some serious Taiyoken and Kienzan spamming.
4. Cooler vs:
-Future Gohan
-Namek Goku
-Future Trunks (Mecha Arc)
-Yardrat Goku
Cooler stomps all.
5. Androids 13, 14, and 15 vs:
-Future Androids 17 and 18
-1 Metal Cooler
-2 Metal Coolers
The Super Saiyans were able to beat these androids without too much difficulty, so I think that 13, 14, 15 lose each of these. I think that only Super 13 surpassed Metal Cooler.
6. Broly Movie 8 vs:
-Pikkon
-SS1 Goku (Buu Saga)
Pikkon stomps.
I don't think that Goku got that much stronger in his SSJ1 state after the Cell Arc, so Broly wins.
7. Gogeta vs:
-Buuhan (can use SS1)
-Buuhan (can use SS2)
-Buuhan (can use SS3)
-Ultimate Gohan (can use SS1)
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Gogeta can take Gohan, I think. He gets stomped by Buuhan though, unless he uses SSJ3, then he might have a chance.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:30 am

No idea who wings is.
The fat Dodoria-like henchmen in the Slug movie.
Slug takes all three. I have him slightly stronger than Final Form Freeza.
Huh, should've pitted him against true form Cooler or King Cold or Mecha Freeza...
The Super Saiyans were able to beat these androids without too much difficulty, so I think that 13, 14, 15 lose each of these. I think that only Super 13 surpassed Metal Cooler.
They can't win even with a 3 to 1 advantage?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:35 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:
No idea who wings is.
The fat Dodoria-like henchmen in the Slug movie.

The Super Saiyans were able to beat these androids without too much difficulty, so I think that 13, 14, 15 lose each of these. I think that only Super 13 surpassed Metal Cooler.
They can't win even with a 3 to 1 advantage?
Oh, ok. I'll say Tullece.
They were weaker than the Super Saiyans, and the strongest two Super Saiyans together could barely defeat initial Metal Cooler. The repaired Metal Cooler was able to one-shot Kamiccolo, who was stronger than any of the Super Saiyans. So, I don't think that numbers would matter. Plus, the Androids don't have the sheer tenacity and perseverance that Goku and Vegeta have.
And even if they did win at 3-1 by some chance, it wouldn't stay that way. It would end up being 3-10,000,000,000, or whatever the movie title was :P
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:40 am

Oob vs Ultimate Gohan

This is Oob from the manga after his training with Goku (GT is ignored). Is Oob strong enough to beat Gohan? Also, if you believe that Oob can use Kaio-ken, then he can use it in this fight.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Oob vs Ultimate Gohan

This is Oob from the manga after his training with Goku (GT is ignored). Is Oob strong enough to beat Gohan? Also, if you believe that Oob can use Kaio-ken, then he can use it in this fight.
I see him maxing out around Pure Buu's strength. So without Kaio-Ken, he wouldn't stand a chance. With the higher levels of Kaio-Ken, he might be able to manage something.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:34 pm

Uub was on par with base GT Goku, he one shots anyone from Z except for Buuhan and Vegetto.

Oh wait...

I'd say that:

Uub with a high level kaio-ken stomps.

Uub without a high level kaio-ken gets stomped.

In addition to my above match ups, I've got a new one: Kaioshin vs Cell Games Goku.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:38 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Uub was on par with base GT Goku
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:GT is ignored
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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RandomGuy96 wrote: In addition to my above match ups, I've got a new one: Kaioshin vs Cell Games Goku.
It's hard to say. Kaioshin was weaker than Buu Arc SSJ Gohan, who was weaker than he was at the Cell Games, but we don't know if they meant his actual strength, or that he was unable to access his rage boosts. However, Kaioshin is stronger than Buu Arc Piccolo, who I have ahead of Vegeta and Trunks at the Cell Games. So I would put them about even, with Goku possibly having a slight power advantage. However, Kaioshin could possibly overcome this with his paralysis attack thing, so I can see this going either way.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:That was just me mislabeling it. Fix'd. At first I thought that Omega would stomp Bills, but after actually thinking about it in logical terms, rather than power scaling ones... Bills and Whis are way, way beyond any other Dragon Ball character. Speed trillions of times faster than light, anyone?

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1. Tullece vs:
-first form Freeza (can use 1 fruit)
-Recoome (no fruit)
-Nail (no fruit)
-Wings

2. Lord Slug vs:
-Nailccolo
-third for Freeza
-Vegeta (final Namek zenkai)

3. Cooler's Armored Squadron vs:
-Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu (end of Z)

4. Cooler vs:
-Future Gohan
-Namek Goku
-Future Trunks (Mecha Arc)
-Yardrat Goku

5. Androids 13, 14, and 15 vs:
-Future Androids 17 and 18
-1 Metal Cooler
-2 Metal Coolers

6. Broly Movie 8 vs:
-Pikkon
-SS1 Goku (Buu Saga)

7. Gogeta vs:
-Buuhan (can use SS1)
-Buuhan (can use SS2)
-Buuhan (can use SS3)
-Ultimate Gohan (can use SS1)
1. Freeza, Tullece, Nail, and Tullece
2. Lord Slug in all cases
3. Krillin and Tenshinhan take this but Yamcha and Chaozu get thoroughly schooled
4. Cooler, Cooler, tie, Goku
5. 17 and 18, Meta Cooler, and Meta Coolers
6. Broly and Goku
7. Gogeta, Gogeta, Gogeta, and Gogeta
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:50 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
7. Gogeta vs:
-Buuhan (can use SS1)
-Buuhan (can use SS2)
-Buuhan (can use SS3)
-Ultimate Gohan (can use SS1)
7. Gogeta, Gogeta, Gogeta, and Gohan by far.
You have SSJ Gogeta being able to beat Buuhan, but not Gohan?
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Kamiccolo9 wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
7. Gogeta vs:
-Buuhan (can use SS1)
-Buuhan (can use SS2)
-Buuhan (can use SS3)
-Ultimate Gohan (can use SS1)
7. Gogeta, Gogeta, Gogeta, and Gohan by far.
You have SSJ Gogeta being able to beat Buuhan, but not Gohan?
I have Super Gogeta at 800,000,000,000. I have Ultimate Gohan at 300,000,000,000. Now multiply that already ridiculous 300,000,000,000 by 50 and what do we get? 15,000,000,000,000. Yeah... Not even SSJ3 Gogeta's 6,400,000,000,000 can handle that.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Oob vs Ultimate Gohan

This is Oob from the manga after his training with Goku (GT is ignored). Is Oob strong enough to beat Gohan? Also, if you believe that Oob can use Kaio-ken, then he can use it in this fight.
Kaioken? Well Uub's got this in the bag then if he can go up to 10x.
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TheMightyOzaru wrote: I have Super Gogeta at 800,000,000,000. I have Ultimate Gohan at 300,000,000,000. Now multiply that already ridiculous 300,000,000,000 by 50 and what do we get? 15,000,000,000,000. Yeah... Not even SSJ3 Gogeta's 6,400,000,000,000 can handle that.
I think he meant that Gogeta could use SSJ1, not Gohan.
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Kamiccolo9 wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote: I have Super Gogeta at 800,000,000,000. I have Ultimate Gohan at 300,000,000,000. Now multiply that already ridiculous 300,000,000,000 by 50 and what do we get? 15,000,000,000,000. Yeah... Not even SSJ3 Gogeta's 6,400,000,000,000 can handle that.
I think he meant that Gogeta could use SSJ1, not Gohan.
Ooooooooooooh! Well then Gogeta's got this.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Oob vs Ultimate Gohan

This is Oob from the manga after his training with Goku (GT is ignored). Is Oob strong enough to beat Gohan? Also, if you believe that Oob can use Kaio-ken, then he can use it in this fight.
Mmm no!! Oob is stronger than Pure Boo but not stronger than U. Gohan. I think Oob have reached all his limits in the training with Kakarotto.

For me, Oob with a Kaio-Ken 2x, beats Ultimate Gohan!
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[quote="RandomGuy96"]


1.
Freeza
Recoome
Nail
Who

2.
Slug beats all

3.
Armored Squadron

4.
Cooler
Cooler
Trunks
Goku

5.
13, 14, and 15 lose all

6.
Undecided until I peg Broly somewhere

7. Gogeta vs:
Boohan
Boohan
Could go either way
Gogeta if he uses SSJ.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by Draken » Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:19 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:SS Goku Jr vs Tao
Well if SS is still a 50x multiplier, then Goku needs to have like, a power level under 2 when he transforms to lose to Tao.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:21 pm

He was getting beaten up by normal human children and had trouble with a boar.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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