Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Hellspawn28]

Babidi in this special makes the dumbest James Bond villain look smart now.

[RandomGuy96]

...wait, seriously? This was it? THIS is how Dabura gets taken out? THIS is how Salagir justifies Gohan's victory in this special?

...

Fuck this special. Also, more bullshit:

13. Why the fuck did Babidi think that Gohan needed to kill Dabura? He could just go and grab Babidi.
14. How the fuck did Dabura even feel Gohan's attacks when he's "just as tough"?
15. Why the fuck doesn't Babidi just kill Gohan with magic? He can make barriers that Buu Saga Piccolo has trouble with. He'd be completely invincble to any attacks on this world.

[miguelnuva1]

Gohan beating Metal Cooler (who can stomp 17 and 18 into the ground, as demonstrated with his "fights" with Vegeta, Goku, and especially Kamiccolo) and Androids 13, 14, and 15 (two of which are stronger than Android Arc Goku, who is much stronger than Yardrat Goku, who is stronger than Future Gohan) would be just as bullshit as Gohan beating Dabura, even normal Cooler should be way out of Gohan's league... wait, what's your post supposed to be saying?

Scarz is definitely joking.

Meta Cooler fought Android saga Goku and Vegeta, Anime F Gohan is shown to be near them in power.

13,14 and 15 fought the Android saga SSJs and Kamiccolo.
M6 is the weirdest movie ever due to placing because in the Manga when it was released Kami and Piccolo had just fused or where talking about it and in the Anime Vegeta had just went SSJ.

17 and 18>13 14 and 15> Meta Cooler.

[Hellspawn28]

it was released Kami and Piccolo had just fused or where talking about it and in the Anime Vegeta had just went SSJ.

Movie 6 was release right after Vegeta turn SSj in the anime. I don't think Piccolo and Kami fused yet in the manga at the time?

[omegalucas]

14. How the fuck did Dabura even feel Gohan's attacks when he's "just as tough"?

This one is the English translators' fault.
In the original there is no "as". It says "He is still tough." as in weaker than before but still enough to give Gohan a challenge.

[RandomGuy96]

Gohan beating Metal Cooler (who can stomp 17 and 18 into the ground, as demonstrated with his "fights" with Vegeta, Goku, and especially Kamiccolo) and Androids 13, 14, and 15 (two of which are stronger than Android Arc Goku, who is much stronger than Yardrat Goku, who is stronger than Future Gohan) would be just as bullshit as Gohan beating Dabura, even normal Cooler should be way out of Gohan's league... wait, what's your post supposed to be saying?

Scarz is definitely joking.

Meta Cooler fought Android saga Goku and Vegeta, Anime F Gohan is shown to be near them in power.

13,14 and 15 fought the Android saga SSJs and Kamiccolo.
M6 is the weirdest movie ever due to placing because in the Manga when it was released Kami and Piccolo had just fused or where talking about it and in the Anime Vegeta had just went SSJ.

17 and 18>13 14 and 15> Meta Cooler.

Yes... he "fought" them. By which I mean he tanked their attacks without budging and dominated them, while also pulling his punches, because he wanted them for energy. He did the same to the fused Piccolo. Note that 17 said that two Super Saiyans would be too much for 18, and one was clearly enough for 14. Same with 15. Metal Cooler took no damage from anything but the last second Toei Punch.

Nah, that's wrong. It goes Metal Cooler > 17 > 18 > 13 > 15> 14. He has way better feats against the android arc Super Saiyans than any of the above, and Piccolo was definitely Kamiccolo when Metal Cooler kicked him in the teeth. Kami was absent, Piccolo was alive, the Daizenshuu said he was fused, and Dende is Guardian. You'd have to go pretty wild with fanwank to make Metal Cooler weaker than 17 and 18.

Anime Gohan can beat normal Cooler, 15, 14, and maybe even 13 (manga Gohan would get stomped into the ground by any of them though), but that would just beg the question of why he never told Trunks about those adventures either.

[miguelnuva1]

Yes... he "fought" them. By which I mean he tanked their attacks without budging and dominated them, while also pulling his punches, because he wanted them for energy. He did the same to the fused Piccolo. Note that 17 said that two Super Saiyans would be too much for 18, and one was clearly enough for 14. Same with 15. Metal Cooler took no damage from anything but the last second Toei Punch.

Nah, that's wrong. It goes Metal Cooler > 17 > 18 > 13 > 15> 14. He has way better feats against the android arc Super Saiyans than any of the above, and Piccolo was definitely Kamiccolo when Metal Cooler kicked him in the teeth. Kami was absent, Piccolo was alive, the Daizenshuu said he was fused, and Dende is Guardian. You'd have to go pretty wild with fanwank to make Metal Cooler weaker than 17 and 18.

Anime Gohan can beat normal Cooler, 15, 14, and maybe even 13 (manga Gohan would get stomped into the ground by any of them though), but that would just beg the question of why he never told Trunks about those adventures either.

Meta Cooler didn't tank any of Goku and Vegeta's attacks he used superior speed and IT to attack them. Alone they were able to keep up, together they were able to destroy the upgraded Meta Cooler and most of the 1000 that came after them.

Goku also didn't punch Meta Cooler he bit the giant head with an energy attack.

When does the Daiz say he was fused and I have a hard time believing TOEI knew about Piccolo's fused power when AT hadn't even fused them in the manga by during the movie's release.


Anime Gohan could beat beat 5th form Cooler and 14 and 15 and possibly 13 since it was clear that he could handle the Androids 1 on 1 in the Anime.

Manga Gohan on the other hand is about the same or weaker than Trunks saga Trunks.

[RandomGuy96]

Meta Cooler didn't tank any of Goku and Vegeta's attacks he used superior speed and IT to attack them. Alone they were able to keep up, together they were able to destroy the upgraded Meta Cooler and most of the 1000 that came after them.

Goku also didn't punch Meta Cooler he bit the giant head with an energy attack.

When does the Daiz say he was fused and I have a hard time believing TOEI knew about Piccolo's fused power when AT hadn't even fused them in the manga by during the movie's release.


Anime Gohan could beat beat 5th form Cooler and 14 and 15 and possibly 13 since it was clear that he could handle the Androids 1 on 1 in the Anime.

Manga Gohan on the other hand is about the same or weaker than Trunks saga Trunks.

No, he totally tanked them. He has holding up Goku by the neck and draining him. Goku kept punching him in the face and Metal Cooler didn't even budge. That one Metal Cooler then proceeded to stomp the crap out of Vegeta in ten seconds flat (literally, I counted). Took 18 several minutes and infinite stamina to accomplish the same feat. If you define that as "keeping up" I'd hate to see what a stomp is...

They do by proxy of where they put it in the timeline. Toei knew Dende was going to be guardian, so it's pretty obvious that they knew something we didn't. Piccolo being fused in that movie is pretty blatant.

Yeah, that's what I just said. Anime Gohan can take any of them, except Metal Cooler, with mid to very high difficulty. Manga Gohan on the other hand would get the crap stomped out of him by any of them.

[miguelnuva1]

Meta Cooler didn't tank any of Goku and Vegeta's attacks he used superior speed and IT to attack them. Alone they were able to keep up, together they were able to destroy the upgraded Meta Cooler and most of the 1000 that came after them.

Goku also didn't punch Meta Cooler he bit the giant head with an energy attack.

When does the Daiz say he was fused and I have a hard time believing TOEI knew about Piccolo's fused power when AT hadn't even fused them in the manga by during the movie's release.


Anime Gohan could beat beat 5th form Cooler and 14 and 15 and possibly 13 since it was clear that he could handle the Androids 1 on 1 in the Anime.

Manga Gohan on the other hand is about the same or weaker than Trunks saga Trunks.

No, he totally tanked them. He has holding up Goku by the neck and draining him. Goku kept punching him in the face and Metal Cooler didn't even budge. That one Metal Cooler then proceeded to stomp the crap out of Vegeta in ten seconds flat (literally, I counted). Took 18 several minutes and infinite stamina to accomplish the same feat. If you define that as "keeping up" I'd hate to see what a stomp is...

They do by proxy of where they put it in the timeline. Toei knew Dende was going to be guardian, so it's pretty obvious that they knew something we didn't. Piccolo being fused in that movie is pretty blatant.

1. Meta Cooler was chocking Goku not draining him.

2. Meta Cooler was faster and used IT and Vegeta got right back up.

3. 18 toyed with Vegeta to right at the end of the fight where Metha Cooler was going all out from the start.

4. How could TOEI know about Dende when they wrote the script AT and the Manga had just got to Trunks tops and AT said himself nothing was planned more then two weeks out at a time when he drew Dragonball.

5. Finally it was said that Goku and Vegeta together couldn't beat 18, they beat Meta Cooler.

[Kamiccolo9]

Meta Cooler didn't tank any of Goku and Vegeta's attacks he used superior speed and IT to attack them. Alone they were able to keep up, together they were able to destroy the upgraded Meta Cooler and most of the 1000 that came after them.

Goku also didn't punch Meta Cooler he bit the giant head with an energy attack.

When does the Daiz say he was fused and I have a hard time believing TOEI knew about Piccolo's fused power when AT hadn't even fused them in the manga by during the movie's release.


Anime Gohan could beat beat 5th form Cooler and 14 and 15 and possibly 13 since it was clear that he could handle the Androids 1 on 1 in the Anime.

Manga Gohan on the other hand is about the same or weaker than Trunks saga Trunks.

No, he totally tanked them. He has holding up Goku by the neck and draining him. Goku kept punching him in the face and Metal Cooler didn't even budge. That one Metal Cooler then proceeded to stomp the crap out of Vegeta in ten seconds flat (literally, I counted). Took 18 several minutes and infinite stamina to accomplish the same feat. If you define that as "keeping up" I'd hate to see what a stomp is...

They do by proxy of where they put it in the timeline. Toei knew Dende was going to be guardian, so it's pretty obvious that they knew something we didn't. Piccolo being fused in that movie is pretty blatant.

1. Meta Cooler was chocking Goku not draining him.

2. Meta Cooler was faster and used IT and Vegeta got right back up.

3. 18 toyed with Vegeta to right at the end of the fight where Metha Cooler was going all out from the start.

4. How could TOEI know about Dende when they wrote the script AT and the Manga had just got to Trunks tops and AT said himself nothing was planned more then two weeks out at a time when he drew Dragonball.

5. Finally it was said that Goku and Vegeta together couldn't beat 18, they beat Meta Cooler.

1. That was the Cooler's head/cable body thing. Not Metal Cooler.
2. Vegeta got back up, but he was obviously outclassed.
3. 17 said that 18 would lose if the other fighters all attacked her. Since Vegeta was so much stronger than everyone else, and groups of weak people have been shown to be useless against a strong opponent (see Nappa and Recoome) then she and Vegeta couldn't have been that far apart.
4. Maybe this was an exception? They had to get the idea from somewhere. Unless Toei came up with it and Toryama used the idea for the manga.
5. Where? I don't remember that. And they beat the initial Metal Cooler, and it took everything they had. The later Metal Coolers were stronger.

[RandomGuy96]

There's also absolutely no evidence that she was toying. They were on par until Vegeta's stamina drained.

You also flat out made up 5, unless there's something I don't know about?

[miguelnuva1]

@Kamiccolo9

1. Meta Cooler is chocking Goku right before Vegeta shows up.

2. Vegeta did no worse against Meta Cooler than 18.


3. 17 says 18 might be in trouble if all the other fighters attack her. Vegeta was a lot stronger than their data told them 17 is assuming every is near Vegeta's level. Also Trunks was a SSJ and Piccolo was SSJ level.


5. Goku beat Meta Cooler then he gets stronger then both Goku and Vegeta defeat the stronger Meta Cooler. The 1000 that attack after are either as strong or weaker than the one they just beat.

@RandomGuy96

It is stated that Vegeta's power was nothing to 18 and 18 says she has been toying with Vegeta. It is then later said that Goku would not make a difference and that 3 SSJs wouldn't beat 17 and 18.

[Kamiccolo9]

@Kamiccolo9

1. Meta Cooler is chocking Goku right before Vegeta shows up.

2. Vegeta did no worse against Meta Cooler than 18.


3. 17 says 18 might be in trouble if all the other fighters attack her. Vegeta was a lot stronger than their data told them 17 is assuming every is near Vegeta's level. Also Trunks was a SSJ and Piccolo was SSJ level.


5. Goku beat Meta Cooler then he gets stronger then both Goku and Vegeta defeat the stronger Meta Cooler. The 1000 that attack after are either as strong or weaker than the one they just beat.

@RandomGuy96

It is stated that Vegeta's power was nothing to 18 and 18 says she has been toying with Vegeta. It is then later said that Goku would not make a difference and that 3 SSJs wouldn't beat 17 and 18.

1. My mistake. I was thinking of at the end of the movie.
2. Cooler hit Vegeta 3 or 4 times, the first time knocking him across the battlefield, and the others leaving Vegeta gasping for air each time. Before the end, Vegeta could barely stand.
3. SSJ level is a pretty wide gap. Vegeta had 3 years to train, Trunks had 8 months. Piccolo was, at best, on the same level as Trunks. Vegeta was much stronger than both.
5. Goku didn't beat Cooler, he injured him. Just like he injured Cell, and Vegeta injured Buu. It wasn't the end of the fight. And you have no way of knowing that the 1000 Coolers that showed up were weaker. All we know is that Cooler was improved every time he was injured, which would suggest that they are even stronger.

[TheMightyOzaru]

If we are arguing about how much stronger #18 is than Vegeta I can assure you there is fairly decent gap between them. The Cyborgs wouldn't be seen as much of a threat otherwise. Honestly if are to assume Trunks and everyone else would make a difference, a short training section would fix that gap which I find hard to believe. I think it's easier to assume that #17 didn't know what to expect so he just played it safe. Remember #17 and #18 can't sense energy. Only #16 can.

[Kamiccolo9]

If we are arguing about how much stronger #18 is than Vegeta I can assure you there is fairly decent gap between them. The Cyborgs wouldn't be seen as much of a threat otherwise. Honestly if are to assume Trunks and everyone else would make a difference, a short training section would fix that gap which I find hard to believe. I think it's easier to assume that #17 didn't know what to expect so he just played it safe. Remember #17 and #18 can't sense energy. Only #16 can.

This point was more about whether we thought there was a bigger gap between Vegeta and Metal Cooler, or Vegeta and 18.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Oooooooooooh, again . I'd say there is a bigger gap between Meta Cooler and Vegeta than there is with #18 and Vegeta.

[Kamiccolo9]

Oooooooooooh, again . I'd say there is a bigger gap between Meta Cooler and Vegeta than there is with #18 and Vegeta.

That's what I think as well. Cooler was knocking the wind out of Vegeta every time he hit him, and basically ignored Vegeta in the second half of the fight. 18 and Vegeta actually exchanged blows for a while until 18 broke Vegeta's arm, and even then, it didn't take him out of the fight.

[The Jackal]

Oooooooooooh, again . I'd say there is a bigger gap between Meta Cooler and Vegeta than there is with #18 and Vegeta.

That's what I think as well. Cooler was knocking the wind out of Vegeta every time he hit him, and basically ignored Vegeta in the second half of the fight. 18 and Vegeta actually exchanged blows for a while until 18 broke Vegeta's arm, and even then, it didn't take him out of the fight.

She was toying with him.

[RandomGuy96]

Oooooooooooh, again . I'd say there is a bigger gap between Meta Cooler and Vegeta than there is with #18 and Vegeta.

That's what I think as well. Cooler was knocking the wind out of Vegeta every time he hit him, and basically ignored Vegeta in the second half of the fight. 18 and Vegeta actually exchanged blows for a while until 18 broke Vegeta's arm, and even then, it didn't take him out of the fight.

Yes. Vegeta was actually holding his own for a while, while his fight with Metal Cooler lasted ten seconds. And that's without getting into how Metal Cooler demolished Kamiccolo...

1. Meta Cooler is chocking Goku right before Vegeta shows up.

2. Vegeta did no worse against Meta Cooler than 18.


3. 17 says 18 might be in trouble if all the other fighters attack her. Vegeta was a lot stronger than their data told them 17 is assuming every is near Vegeta's level. Also Trunks was a SSJ and Piccolo was SSJ level.


5. Goku beat Meta Cooler then he gets stronger then both Goku and Vegeta defeat the stronger Meta Cooler. The 1000 that attack after are either as strong or weaker than the one they just beat.

2. Yes, he did a lot worse. He was able to hold his own against 18 until his power started dropping. He landed hits and left bruises, and kept bouncing up from retaliation. He was specifically noted in-universe as being on even terms with her by at least three characters. His hits didn't do anything to Metal Cooler. Hell, Goku fired a Kamehameha right at Metal Cooler while he was standing perfectly still and Metal Cooler didn't even budge. He charged at MetalCooler full power and punched him in the face, and once again he didn't even budge.

3. Trunks and Piccolo combined would probably not be as useful as just Goku, as he was the only one who was on Vegeta's level. And even if 17 assumed that Trunks was on Vegeta's level (there never was such an indication), he still thought that a force that couldn't do jack to Metal Cooler without a haxxed move that they never use anywhere else could beat 18.

5. Goku injures a Metal Cooler, who immediately regenerates and goes back to stomping. Then Vegeta and Goku attack Metal Cooler and still don't do jack. It's not until they use a last second Toei Punch, a move that they could not and did not use on 18, that they beat him. And all of those new Coolers should if anything be stronger than the first.

Where does 18 say she's toying? As I recall, she specifically says that she's going serious at one point, after which Vegeta still briefly holds his own (though he's losing more obviously than he was before) until his power drops. Three SSs may not be able to beat 17 and 18, but there's no indication that two wouldn't be enough to beat 18 alone. It's shown and stated that, if at least one fighter is on par with the opponent (and BOTH should at least be on par with 18 here), then the team is usually going to win.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Oooooooooooh, again . I'd say there is a bigger gap between Meta Cooler and Vegeta than there is with #18 and Vegeta.

That's what I think as well. Cooler was knocking the wind out of Vegeta every time he hit him, and basically ignored Vegeta in the second half of the fight. 18 and Vegeta actually exchanged blows for a while until 18 broke Vegeta's arm, and even then, it didn't take him out of the fight.

She was toying with him.

And? Meta Cooler took down Kamiccolo, whom was fighting on par with #17, with no effort. Need I also remind you that #17 is stronger than #18.