Listing for "Ocean Dub"-specific DBZ: "Rock the Dragon" Set

[ABED]

No, but it would make more sense for them to release the movies than this. That's the point I'm making, you just don't seem to get that. They have the movies, so why waste time releasing something that's not the movies?

Does it make more fiscal sense? If so how do you know? Do you have their financial data to back up the claim? The best you and I can do is speculate.

If they have the movies and are sitting on them, they must have a reason.

[Craddle]

To all the people thinking this will be $100, have you all lossed your ever loving mind. There is no way in HFIL online distributors will charge anywhere close to that. I guarantee you amazon will list this for under $40. Wait and see. You can all call me a fool after the listing.

[Metalwario64]

To all the people thinking this will be $100, have you all lossed your ever loving mind. There is no way in HFIL online distributors will charge anywhere close to that. I guarantee you amazon will list this for under $40. Wait and see. You can all call me a fool after the listing.

I dunno. I'd say $50 at the very least.

I agree thought that prices won't be very high on this thing. For example, here's the Digimon season 1 set, which has an MSRP of $79.95, and Amazon is selling it for $35.99.

[samuraix123]

I'm really hoping Walmart gets this up for Pre-order soon! Anybody got any idea if the quality will look better than my original Pioneer DVDs?

[Metalwario64]

I'm really hoping Walmart gets this up for Pre-order soon! Anybody got any idea if the quality will look better than my original Pioneer DVDs?

At best, it would look like the Ultimate Uncuts or the Australian Madman DVDs of the Ocean episodes. That is to say, the same footage, but sharper and better encoded with less artifacts. The Pioneer discs were encoded terribly, with lots of macroblocking, blurring and rainbowing.

[fps_anth]

To all the people thinking this will be $100, have you all lossed your ever loving mind. There is no way in HFIL online distributors will charge anywhere close to that. I guarantee you amazon will list this for under $40. Wait and see. You can all call me a fool after the listing.

I dunno. I'd say $50 at the very least.

I agree thought that prices won't be very high on this thing. For example, here's the Digimon season 1 set, which has an MSRP of $79.95, and Amazon is selling it for $35.99.

I think I remember Wal-Mart.com selling that Digimon set for $19.99 at one point. I can see this thing going sub $50 very soon.

[90sDBZ]

I wonder if this will still be fully edited or will they put blood back in where possible like when Raditz and Goku die for instance.

[VegettoEX]

I wonder if this will still be fully edited or will they put blood back in where possible like when Raditz and Goku die for instance.

I highly doubt it. Part of the point is that it's the old edited release.

I'm more curious if they'll restore the less-edited lines from the first four episodes (e.g., "I smell death in the air").

[TheWhiz]

I wonder if this will still be fully edited or will they put blood back in where possible like when Raditz and Goku die for instance.

I highly doubt it. Part of the point is that it's the old edited release.

I'm more curious if they'll restore the less-edited lines from the first four episodes (e.g., "I smell death in the air").

Who knows? Guess we'll have to wait for someone to get footage of it when it's released.

[Ryuji-Otogi]

They would have to go through all kinds of trouble replacing the edited footage with uncut video, and it wouldn't make any sense for them to do that. Even if they did 'de-censor' it, the episodes would still be spliced up and merged together. It's not even FUNi's dub, they don't feel any sort of responsibility to make it better. The point is to release the original broadcast version in all its changed and edited glory on DVD--including the Rock the Dragon theme, its musical score, and the edited, spliced up, and merged together episodes. I would be stunned if they went through the trouble of changing the censored scenes to being uncut. They still wouldn't be able to advertise the product as uncut, because even after doing that it would still be a butchered dub with some 15 episodes worth of scenes cut out. The point of the set is nostalgia, not uncut or even remotely faithful DBZ.

[VegettoEX]

It's not even FUNi's dub

Yes it is. The voices were outsourced and the music was outsourced, but FUNimation was the company responsible producing this dub from 1996-1998.

Many of the people that WORKED at FUNimation at the time (mainly Barry Watson) are long gone, but it's still all stuff under Lord Fukunaga's watch.

[ABED]

They would have to go through all kinds of trouble replacing the edited footage with uncut video, and it wouldn't make any sense for them to do that. Even if they did 'de-censor' it, the episodes would still be spliced up and merged together. It's not even FUNi's dub, they don't feel any sort of responsibility to make it better. The point is to release the original broadcast version in all its changed and edited glory on DVD--including the Rock the Dragon theme, its musical score, and the edited, spliced up, and merged together episodes. I would be stunned if they went through the trouble of changing the censored scenes to being uncut. They still wouldn't be able to advertise the product as uncut, because even after doing that it would still be a butchered dub with some 15 episodes worth of scenes cut out. The point of the set is nostalgia, not uncut or even remotely faithful DBZ.

They didn't cut out anything central to the plot to my recollection. They cut out some filler and by the end, the cuts are somewhat imperceptible.

[Ryuji-Otogi]

They would have to go through all kinds of trouble replacing the edited footage with uncut video, and it wouldn't make any sense for them to do that. Even if they did 'de-censor' it, the episodes would still be spliced up and merged together. It's not even FUNi's dub, they don't feel any sort of responsibility to make it better. The point is to release the original broadcast version in all its changed and edited glory on DVD--including the Rock the Dragon theme, its musical score, and the edited, spliced up, and merged together episodes. I would be stunned if they went through the trouble of changing the censored scenes to being uncut. They still wouldn't be able to advertise the product as uncut, because even after doing that it would still be a butchered dub with some 15 episodes worth of scenes cut out. The point of the set is nostalgia, not uncut or even remotely faithful DBZ.

They didn't cut out anything central to the plot to my recollection. They cut out some filler and by the end, the cuts are somewhat imperceptible.

Well sure, but that's not really the point. In a way the dub was ahead of its time what with Kai and everything. That doesn't change the fact that a ton of scenes were cut out. If they can't advertise the product as uncut even after 'de-censoring' it, then what's the point?

It's not even FUNi's dub

Yes it is. The voices were outsourced and the music was outsourced, but FUNimation was the company responsible producing this dub from 1996-1998.

Many of the people that WORKED at FUNimation at the time (mainly Barry Watson) are long gone, but it's still all stuff under Lord Fukunaga's watch.

Oh, right. Thanks for clarifying, all that stuff is kind of confusing to me.

[Fri1991]

I wonder if this will still be fully edited or will they put blood back in where possible like when Raditz and Goku die for instance.

I highly doubt it. Part of the point is that it's the old edited release.

I'm more curious if they'll restore the less-edited lines from the first four episodes (e.g., "I smell death in the air").

I hope they restore them. I would really like to hear the episodes with the original broadcasted audio. But, I wonder if they'll restore line where Raditz calls Goku "Goku" like you and Meri pointed out in the podcast, or keep the re-recorded line that they did for the home video release and the re-airings on television.

It would seem weird to hear Raditz mention his brother with his Earth name instead of his Saiyan name.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Oh, right. Thanks for clarifying, all that stuff is kind of confusing to me.

Hey, don't worry about it....it's confusing to A LOT of people. The history behind the English dub(s!) of DBZ is a very convoluted and confusing one, no doubt about it!

[90sDBZ]

They would have to go through all kinds of trouble replacing the edited footage with uncut video, and it wouldn't make any sense for them to do that. Even if they did 'de-censor' it, the episodes would still be spliced up and merged together. It's not even FUNi's dub, they don't feel any sort of responsibility to make it better. The point is to release the original broadcast version in all its changed and edited glory on DVD--including the Rock the Dragon theme, its musical score, and the edited, spliced up, and merged together episodes. I would be stunned if they went through the trouble of changing the censored scenes to being uncut. They still wouldn't be able to advertise the product as uncut, because even after doing that it would still be a butchered dub with some 15 episodes worth of scenes cut out. The point of the set is nostalgia, not uncut or even remotely faithful DBZ.

They didn't cut out anything central to the plot to my recollection. They cut out some filler and by the end, the cuts are somewhat imperceptible.

They did cut out Kami saying he only had a year to live which made Piccolo's sudden change from villain to hero seem less believable. And they also removed Gohan finding out his father was dead which raised the question as to where he thought his father was for the year. But you're right they didn't really remove anything that was vital to the plot.

[ABED]

My belief in Piccolo's change wasn't affected by Kami's feeling that he was likely going to die either by age or the Saiyans. I can see why some would see that as a factor but even though that one scene isn't there, I still buy that Gohan's love would be enough to cause the Grinch's heart to grow three sizes.

[KingofWisdom]

If there were any doubt about the set having Rock the Dragon, FUNimation posted on Facebook, "And, yes, it has the 'Rock the Dragon!' opening theme song."

[Ringworm128]

I wonder if this will still be fully edited or will they put blood back in where possible like when Raditz and Goku die for instance.

I highly doubt it. Part of the point is that it's the old edited release.

I'm more curious if they'll restore the less-edited lines from the first four episodes (e.g., "I smell death in the air").

I think the main thing they're trying to sell is the whole voice aspect of it not the footage and didn't the RS listing say it was 13+?

[BluezaBladeNZ]

My friend who recently asked FUNimation about the recaps/NEPs and eyecatchs for the set, just told me that this was their response:

"Yes, every episode does have the "Last Time" and "On the next Dragon Ball Z" sections".

So it looks like this will have all the recaps and NEPs too, when it was originally only the Madman volumes that did. Though he never got an answer about the eyecatchs (Where Goku says "We'll be right back." and "And now back to our show.").