The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[TheMightyOzaru]

Read my reply to your post.

[Kamiccolo9]

Read my reply to your post.

Sorry, I was typing while you edited that in. That's only if he's under the 24 hour time limit though. That was never specified in the original post. At the very beginning of the Buu Arc, Goku was in Heaven. No time limit there

[TheMightyOzaru]

If it's Goku in the Afterlife then Goku at the beginning takes this easy.

[Godo]

I am speaking about SSJ3 Goku (as he was against Fat Buu) vs. SSJ3 Goku (as he was against Kid Buu).

As far as I know, in this matter, the energy consumption stays the same (I haven't heard anything but that it doesn't eat up energy in the afterlife).

[TheMightyOzaru]

Then yeah it's definitely a tie. Goku didn't get any stronger in the Buu saga.

[Kamiccolo9]

I am speaking about SSJ3 Goku (as he was against Fat Buu) vs. SSJ3 Goku (as he was against Kid Buu).

As far as I know, in this matter, the energy consumption stays the same (I haven't heard anything but that it doesn't eat up energy in the afterlife).

Oh ok. It would either be a tie, or end of Buu Arc Goku, who has slightly more experience using the form, would barely win. Or beginning of Buu Arc Goku, who had just finished a fight with Vegeta and would still be in a fighting mindset as opposed to end of Buu Arc Goku, who was just previously in a "we can't win" mindset, would win. Or one would trip and leave himself wide open.... or if they grappled, one could take an aura lightning bolt to the eye... or..... my head hurts

[hleV]

Dead SS3 Goku only seems to burn up the time (not literally, perhaps it's some sort of energy) he has for staying in the living world while alive SS3 Goku gets a ridiculous energy drain and possibly time limit for the usage of SS3. So in a fight between dead and alive SS3 Gokus, the dead one should end up victorious after a few minutes of battle.

[Kamiccolo9]

Dead SS3 Goku only seems to burn up the time (not literally, perhaps it's some sort of energy) he has for staying in the living world while alive SS3 Goku gets a ridiculous energy drain and possibly time limit for the usage of SS3. So in a fight between dead and alive SS3 Gokus, the dead one should end up victorious after a few minutes of battle.

Well, Goku was pretty worn out after fighting Fat Buu, but whether that was because of the energy drain or not is left unclear. If he doesn't use up energy, then I agree with you.

[hleV]

I wonder if SS3's drawbacks were even thought up by that point in the series. Goku was worn out even after the fight with Fat Boo, when he was teaching the boys fusion. I believe Piccolo even noted that. Soon after, Uranai Baba showed up and told that it's time for Goku to go back to the afterlife. Too bad I don't know the true Kaio/Uranai Baba's wording about Goku using SS3 and thus shortening the time he has left in the living world, perhaps it would help if someone did a research.

Anyway, it all comes down to how that 24-hour-living-world thing works. I really find it strange how using SS3 made Goku use up that living-world-energy. Is it associated with how much power one uses? Is it associated with one's body, reacting to how strained it is? Something entirely else? I guess there's some unknown logic behind this.
So if before going to the living world, Goku's body was made semi-alive (so it could enter the living realm, but there's nothing backing up such a requirement), the fight between dead and alive SS3 Gokus should end in a draw. If it's still a dead body, just with some energy which burns up upon straining the body/using much power/going for one's power limit, then dead SS3 Goku wins (as long as he has enough time left in the living world, obviously, but I don't think it's an important detail in a versus discussion).

[Mjb1985]

I think being in the living realm or using a living body is equally bad for Super Saiyan 3. Goku needs to be in Otherworld and have a dead body for optimal results.

I think vs Fat Buu he was in a dead body in the living realm and against Kid Buu he was in a living body in Otherworld.

[The Monkey King]

Base Buu saga Vegeta and Goku Vs SSJ1 Namek saga Goku

[Mjb1985]

Prior to BOG I would probably place the Base Saiyans in the Buu Saga around Android 16's level more or less.

After BOG I'm more inclined to place them below Freeza.

[Kaboom]

Goku and Vegeta make an excellent team and can achieve great things when they actually work together. But I think a foe of Super Saiyan Goku's power from that point is still a bit too much for them. I can see them taking down 100% Freeza, though.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Base Buu saga Vegeta and Goku Vs SSJ1 Namek saga Goku

Can Boo arc Goku use Kaio-ken?

[Mjb1985]

That would probably defeat the purpose of the battle I think.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Well it's one of the only techniques he's got to defeat Freeza arc SSJ1 Goku. Okay, a better question would be are they on a planet with Ki signatures that Base Goku could teleport too?

[Kaboom]

I'll presume Fusion isn't allowed, either.

[Mjb1985]

What about Spirit Bomb?

In general, I think he's basically asking who's stronger more than any tactical simulation. I could be wrong though.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Base Buu saga Vegeta and Goku Vs SSJ1 Namek saga Goku

SSJ Goku easily. BoG has given us a reason to believe the base Saiyans haven't surpassed Freeza yet. Of course if Goku used Kaioken, he would stomp SSJ Namek Goku easy.

What about Spirit Bomb?

In general, I think he's basically asking who's stronger more than any tactical simulation. I could be wrong though.

The Genki Dama wouldn't hurt Goku.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

I'll presume Fusion isn't allowed, either.

Darn it!

What about Spirit Bomb?

In general, I think he's basically asking who's stronger more than any tactical simulation. I could be wrong though.

Well I guess The Monkey King knows that Freeza arc SSJ Goku is stronger, and that's why he put it as a 2 vs 1, because really the only thing Boo arc Goku and Vegeta have going for them is techniques in this one.