Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[rereboy]

Superman also can't breath in space. He just can hold his respiration for a very long time. I don't see why Goku and other saiyans can't (not as much as Superman, but still...).

[hleV]

"Oh shit, they fight in space? Well, they're both aliens, perhaps they can do that! It's not like I remember how I established Saiyans' inability to breathe in space in the manga."

You forget that we see Bardock in space in the manga. And since they can "barely breath", they can survive in space, but not for long.

It's a reference to Bardock's special which I don't take seriously. For all we know, in-universally, it may be just an artistic choice for showing Bardock, Freeza's minions and Planet Vegeta in one shot. Or even if we took that scene seriously, Bardock could've just leaped into space to just shoot Freeza down, not necessarily breathe there.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Why can't you just take the "they can barely breath" as "they can breath for short periods"? Besides, correct me if I'm wrong, but in the manga, Freeza says something like "I can survive is space. But can the Saiyans survive too, I wonder?", doesn't he? He doesn't directly say that they can't survive in space, right?

[Saiga]

Because they don't sound like the same thing at all. Being able to barely breathe in space just does not gel with seeing Goku show no difficulty whatsoever with his breathing.

And I was sure Freeza's line was more direct than that.

[Draken]

Just being able to "hold your breath" in space will not constitute as survival for normal mortals. The conditions of space will kill us. So Saiyans must have something else that allows them to live that Freeza obviously didn't know about.

[rereboy]

Just being able to "hold your breath" in space will not constitute as survival for normal mortals. The conditions of space will kill us. So Saiyans must have something else that allows them to live that Freeza obviously didn't know about.

Freeza was just saying that even if the planet exploding didn't kill Goku, he would die because Saiyans can't breathe in space. In other words, even if Freeza knew that no other condition of space would bother Saiyans and that they can hold their breath for a while, he simply didn't expect Goku to survive because he would never reach another breathable atmosphere before dying.

Frankly, I don't see what the problem is. Humans and Saiyans also can't survive inside water because they can't breathe in it. Does that mean that can't hold out a significant amount of time inside water just by holding their breath? No...

[Draken]

Yea I'm not against Goku surviving in space, I've always believed that. I'm just saying the people who are like he can only hold for a few minutes because of holding his breath are wrong due to other factors.

[rereboy]

Yea I'm not against Goku surviving in space, I've always believed that. I'm just saying the people who are like he can only hold for a few minutes because of holding his breath are wrong due to other factors.

Goku as a kid was shown to be able to hold his breath for quite a while while he was diving in the sea in search of a Dragon Ball. As far as we know, adult Goku could last much more.

[Kamiccolo9]

Yea I'm not against Goku surviving in space, I've always believed that. I'm just saying the people who are like he can only hold for a few minutes because of holding his breath are wrong due to other factors.

Goku as a kid was shown to be able to hold his breath for quite a while while he was diving in the sea in search of a Dragon Ball. As far as we know, adult Goku could last much more.

There's also Goku going to the moon in Dragonball, depending on if you want to count that as a feat or not.

[Hellspawn28]

If they can somehow breath in space then why can't they breath under water? I remember Goku was able to stay under water for a short period of time.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Because they don't sound like the same thing at all. Being able to barely breathe in space just does not gel with seeing Goku show no difficulty whatsoever with his breathing.

I don't know, it sounds about the same to me.

And I was sure Freeza's line was more direct than that.

From the FUNi subs:

I can continue to live, even in the vacuum of space. I wonder though, how about you Saiyans?

[hleV]

Seems like rhetorical question to me.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Still, the author said that the Saiyans can barely breath in space, and we see a Saiyan breathing in space in the manga. And since Freeza believes that they can't survive, it means that they can survive, but not long enough to go to another planet.

[OmegaRockman]

Maybe Saiyans CAN breathe in space and it's all the radiation exposure that kills them.

[rereboy]

You all seem to forget that in space there is no gas to breathe.

So either Saiyans don't need to breathe or they need to breathe, and if they need to breathe they either breathe oxygen like us or some other gas widely available on planets like Earth. In space there is simply none of these gases for them to breathe.

Freeza was able to survive in space simply because he actually didn't need to breathe to sustain himself.

No being that breathes as far as we understand the concept can actually breathe in space. That very sentence is illogical. He can either survive in space because he doesn't need to breathe or he can't because he needs to breathe.

But of course a being that is able to not breathe for a certain amount of time even though he needs to breathe can be in space for that period of time (as long as the other conditions of space don't wreck him before that).

[MDSTSSJ]

The Saiyans are a warrior race that travels to the entire Universe to invade Planets and sell them. It is impossible that all the Planets have atmosphere and oxygen to breathe. So I think that Saiyans through many many years somehow developed how to breathe in Space or in environments that have no atmosphere.

[TheSonofKakarrot]

Seems like rhetorical question to me.

I agree. I think DBZGT is reaching with this one. Toriyama's comments about Goku is direct contradiction to Freeza's comments. I understand people love DBZ to the point where they want to believe plotholes don't exist, but they do. And this is one of them. The author, despite reading the manga prior to the movie, has obviously forgot a great many things and there's nothing wrong with that.

[Ryuman]

Judging by the way Toriyama was talking about it, I don't even think he wrote for them to go into space.

[Big Momma]

When Freeza says that Saiyans can't survive in space, I'm sure he mans "survive" in a long-term sense. As in, Goku would still die after Namek exploded because his breath would run out. He could last for a little bit, but not survive.

[omegalucas]

http://otakumode.com/news/51977396d0969 ... Gods-rdquo
Am I the only one who finds this a bit phoney (yeah, pun intended )?