Broly Power discussion

[dbzfan7]

Usually it's fanboy's vs haters on the topic so we might as well put it here instead of having the topic take over another thread.

[Cardle grave]

Think of it this way. Fat Buu < SSJ3 Goku. Fat Buu is prob high SSJ2 tier/low SSJ 3 tier. Goku says that even it SSJ2 Goku Vegeta and Gohan attacked Fat Buu together, they'd still lose to Fat Buu. That kinda shows the KMH's won't just add up into SSJ6.

LOL OHHH i see what your trying to get up, Look it doesn't work like that

First you look at the level and the Multiplier and the move

will start with Move well Do the kamehameha which is 2.3x of the user
Now we have the user of the move so well Say SSj3 goku
And the Move his going to do it against is going to be SSj4 goku Buu saga

Now Going by Multiplier and such

Kamehameha=2.3x of the user
SSJ4=10x of SSj3 Pretend

So if SSJ3 goku done a kamehameha to SSj4 goku. he would need to amp it to 10x or higher to hurt or Kill him. But his Amping the kamehameha is only 2.3x, But that still means its 4.8x Weaker then SSj4 goku so SSj4 goku would tank it easily.

Its not SSJ3x2.3=SSJ6.6 lol its doesn't work like that

[TheGmGoken]

I have Broly higher then SSJ2 Teen Gohan but weaker then SSJ2 Kid Gohan and maybe SSJ2 Vegeta.

[Cardle grave]

Let me ask you, What is the point of having 2 SSj2 and SSj beat a regular SSj2 ?

And movie 8 broly is already > SSj2 kid gohan because of Toei Quote

[TheGmGoken]

Let me ask you, What is the point of having 2 SSj2 and SSj beat a regular SSj2 ?

And movie 8 broly is already > SSj2 kid gohan because of Toei Quote

I honestly don't believe anything Toei say about DB-Dbz to be honest.

[miguelnuva1]

You do know you KHH example doesn't work because there isn't a universal SSJ2 power.

You would need Gohan to equal Goku for your example to work and Gohan is much weaker than Goku in M10.

M8 Broly is not stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan. TOEI can say what ever it is they want but AT holds final say. THat measn

SSJ2 Gohan>M8 Broly as Gohan wasn't a SSJ2 when M8 came out.

M10 Broly> all SSJs before his movie which measn

LSSJ Broly> SSJ2 Goku(burst)

Everything else is fair game for debate.

Broly also didn't thank Gohan's attacks, Gohan hits him and Broly flinches and then beats Gohan. Gohan stopped Broly for 1 to 2 seconds and Gohan looks to be faster than Broly as well.

Broly treated Gohan as trash but even Pre Majin Vegeta says Gohan is trash at this point.

[Draken]

Think of it this way. Fat Buu < SSJ3 Goku. Fat Buu is prob high SSJ2 tier/low SSJ 3 tier. Goku says that even it SSJ2 Goku Vegeta and Gohan attacked Fat Buu together, they'd still lose to Fat Buu. That kinda shows the KMH's won't just add up into SSJ6.

LOL OHHH i see what your trying to get up, Look it doesn't work like that

First you look at the level and the Multiplier and the move

will start with Move well Do the kamehameha which is 2.3x of the user
Now we have the user of the move so well Say SSj3 goku
And the Move his going to do it against is going to be SSj4 goku Buu saga

Now Going by Multiplier and such

Kamehameha=2.3x of the user
SSJ4=10x of SSj3 Pretend

So if SSJ3 goku done a kamehameha to SSj4 goku. he would need to amp it to 10x or higher to hurt or Kill him. But his Amping the kamehameha is only 2.3x, But that still means its 4.8x Weaker then SSj4 goku so SSj4 goku would tank it easily.

Its not SSJ3x2.3=SSJ6.6 lol its doesn't work like that

No shit. What the hell have you been reading that's exactly what I've been trying to say this entire time.

SSJ3 Goku > Fat Buu. Fat Buu > SSJ2 Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta. Broly < SSJ2 Goku, Gohan, and SSJ Goten, with Gohan and Goten half dead and very low on Ki. SSJ3 Goku > Fat Buu > Broly.

[miguelnuva1]

Think of it this way. Fat Buu < SSJ3 Goku. Fat Buu is prob high SSJ2 tier/low SSJ 3 tier. Goku says that even it SSJ2 Goku Vegeta and Gohan attacked Fat Buu together, they'd still lose to Fat Buu. That kinda shows the KMH's won't just add up into SSJ6.

LOL OHHH i see what your trying to get up, Look it doesn't work like that

First you look at the level and the Multiplier and the move

will start with Move well Do the kamehameha which is 2.3x of the user
Now we have the user of the move so well Say SSj3 goku
And the Move his going to do it against is going to be SSj4 goku Buu saga

Now Going by Multiplier and such

Kamehameha=2.3x of the user
SSJ4=10x of SSj3 Pretend

So if SSJ3 goku done a kamehameha to SSj4 goku. he would need to amp it to 10x or higher to hurt or Kill him. But his Amping the kamehameha is only 2.3x, But that still means its 4.8x Weaker then SSj4 goku so SSj4 goku would tank it easily.

Its not SSJ3x2.3=SSJ6.6 lol its doesn't work like that

No shit. What the hell have you been reading that's exactly what I've been trying to say this entire time.

SSJ3 Goku > Fat Buu. Fat Buu > SSJ2 Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta. Broly < SSJ2 Goku, Gohan, and SSJ Goten, with Gohan and Goten half dead and very low on Ki. SSJ3 Goku > Fat Buu > Broly.

Don't forget Goku most likely wasn't SSJ2.

[MDSTSSJ]

I don´t hate Broly, in fact is the contrary. I like a lot everything about pure Saiyans.

Broly is a very stronger character, no doubt but many people give more power than he already have.

For me Movie 8 Broly is at SSJ Grade 3 level.

Movie 10 Broly is stronger than SSJ2 teen Gohan who is weaker than SSJ2 pre Majin Vegeta who is weaker than SSJ2 Kakarotto.

SSJ2 teen Gohan is weaker than SSJ2 kid Gohan.

For me Movie 10 Broly Vs SSJ2 Kid Gohan or Vs pre Majin Vegeta would really a tough call.

[Cardle grave]

No shit. What the hell have you been reading that's exactly what I've been trying to say this entire time.

SSJ3 Goku > Fat Buu. Fat Buu > SSJ2 Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta. Broly < SSJ2 Goku, Gohan, and SSJ Goten, with Gohan and Goten half dead and very low on Ki. SSJ3 Goku > Fat Buu > Broly.[/quote]

Despite the fact its stated in Daizenshuu 6 that they powered up form the encouragement of Goku and then proceeded with going SSj2

Face to Da Palm where are talking about Attacks here not Individuals. An kamehameha>user

And no, Last time i checked Broly didn't need to omega blast Gohan to make him useless LOL Fat Buu angry explosion didn't even take out vegeta

You do know you KHH example doesn't work because there isn't a universal SSJ2 power.

- What the hell did you just say ?

You would need Gohan to equal Goku for your example to work and Gohan is much weaker than Goku in M10.

- And

M8 Broly is not stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan. TOEI can say what ever it is they want but AT holds final say. THat measn

- Actually Toei made broly, And they don't put this in the Dakzenshuu 6 for you to ignore

SSJ2 Gohan>M8 Broly as Gohan wasn't a SSJ2 when M8 came out.

- Its a Shame though he was talking about Broly was the first enemy to appear in 3 movies not timelines on the movies and your plain wrong SSj2 gohan appeared in manga 3 months before M8 was released they even put him in the Movie 8 OOP, What the point of calling him the strongest saiyan if no one existed. Awesome Logic DBZ.uk At its finest

M10 Broly> all SSJs before his movie which measn

- Actually No it means broly was the strongest saiyan Form M8-M11, Not hard to understand a quote as it doesn't involve timelines

LSSJ Broly> SSJ2 Goku(burst)

- Good Job, You Know that SSj2 goku Burst>SSj2 Vegeta

Everything else is fair game for debate.


Broly also didn't thank Gohan's attacks, Gohan hits him and Broly flinches and then beats Gohan. Gohan stopped Broly for 1 to 2 seconds and Gohan looks to be faster than Broly as well.

- Broly not catching Gohan is a plot for him to go into the lava even daizenshuu 6 states that he needed to execute his plan

Broly treated Gohan as trash but even Pre Majin Vegeta says Gohan is trash at this point.

- Thats great and all, But this is Movie 10 Gohan not Manga who trained for 7 years.

[PerfectFreeza]

M8 LSSJ Broly I would place around Cell Games FPSSJ Goku, since he is like a preview of him(the release dates of his movie and the episode, where Goku goes full power) along with LSSJ representing Third Grade SSJ, but without speed decrease.
M10 LSSJ Broly I would place in the gap between SSJ2 Kid Gohan and SSJ2 Goku, sincve the producer stated he was set up as the strongest Saiyan, who at the time was SSJ2 Kid Gohan.

[Cardle grave]

M8 LSSJ Broly I would place around Cell Games FPSSJ Goku, since he is like a preview of him(the release dates of his movie and the episode, where Goku goes full power) along with LSSJ representing Third Grade SSJ, but without speed decrease.
M10 LSSJ Broly I would place in the gap between SSJ2 Kid Gohan and SSJ2 Goku, sincve the producer stated he was set up as the strongest Saiyan, who at the time was SSJ2 Kid Gohan.

He said that for Movie 8 broly - Movie 11

Making M8 broly>SSj2 kid gohan

[PerfectFreeza]

Except SSJ2 Kid Gohan never existed yet at the time of Movie 8.The strongest Saiyan at that time was 50% FPSSJ Goku.
SSJ2 ADULT Gohan faring rather half-decent against Broly in M10 proves, that the producer wasn't planning M8 Broly to be above SSJ2 Kid Gohan.
And that would make Bio Broly stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan as well, yet we all know he is not that strong.

[Cardle grave]

Except SSJ2 Kid Gohan never existed yet at the time of Movie 8.The strongest Saiyan at that time was 50% FPSSJ Goku.
SSJ2 ADULT Gohan faring rather half-decent against Broly in M10 proves, that the producer wasn't planning M8 Broly to be above SSJ2 Kid Gohan.
And that would make Bio Broly stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan as well, yet we all know he is not that strong.

LMFAO does it look like there targeting timelines or saying his the strongest saiyan form M8 to M11. And Broly 3 shot Gohan and tanked him jesus why the hell do people say he faired well do you call 3 shoting fairly well.

And Geez SSj2 Kid Gohan was released 3 months before so your point is moot or 2 months cant remember properly

[Draken]

I'm not even on your topic of Kamehameha's anymore, stop brushing off evidence. Goku specifically stated that he, Gohan, and Vegeta together as SSJ2's could not defeat Fat Buu, who is weaker than SSJ3 Goku who was toying with him to buy time. SSJ3 Goku > Fat Buu > Goku/Gohan/Vegeta SSJ2.

Broly was defeated by the combined Kamehameha of SSJ2 Goku, SSJ2 Gohan, and SSJ Goten. Goten is obviously far, far below SSJ2 Vegeta.

SSJ3 Goku > Fat Buu > SSJ2 Goku/Gohan/Vegeta > SSJ2 Goku/Gohan, SSJ Goten > Broly.

[miguelnuva1]

You do know you KHH example doesn't work because there isn't a universal SSJ2 power.

- What the hell did you just say ?

That every SSJ2 has a different power so their is no universal SSJ2 power level,

You would need Gohan to equal Goku for your example to work and Gohan is much weaker than Goku in M10.

- And

The numbers you used made SSJ2 Gohan and SSJ2 Goku's KKH equal which isn't right.

M8 Broly is not stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan. TOEI can say what ever it is they want but AT holds final say. THat measn

- Actually Toei made broly, And they don't put this in the Dakzenshuu 6 for you to ignore

And AT made Gohan, TOEI can say what they want about Broly but they can't place him over Gohan.

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SJ2 Gohan>M8 Broly as Gohan wasn't a SSJ2 when M8 came out.

- Its a Shame though he was talking about Broly was the first enemy to appear in 3 movies not timelines on the movies and your plain wrong SSj2 gohan appeared in manga 3 monster before M8 was released they even put him in the Movie 8 OOP, What the point of calling him the strongest saiyan if no one existed. Awesome Logic DBZ.uk At its finest

DBZ Movie 8: Burn Up!! A Red-Hot, Raging, Super-Fierce Fight (Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan)
Release Date: March 6, 1993
Manga Release (4 months back): "Full Member Gathering!!" (Nov 2, 1992)
Manga Release (6 months back): "Super Trunks Surpasses His Father!" (Aug 31, 1992)
Latest Manga Chapter Release: "The Ultimate Kamehameha" (Mar 1, 1993)
Between Episodes: #176 ("Wait Just a Minute!! The Great Satan Army Arrives") - #177 ("Goku’s Bout!! The Super-Tense Cell Games")

Do you know that the script would be done by the time Gohan was SSJ2 and thus Movie 8 Broly's power was capped.

M10 Broly> all SSJs before his movie which measn

- Actually No it means broly was the strongest saiyan Form M8-M11, Not hard to understand a quote as it doesn't involve timelines

It means Broly in 8 is stronger than the saiyans that appear before himself, Gohan appears after the script is finished. Movie 10 appears before SSJ2 Goku makes a full appearance. Also Broly didn't appear in M11 in till to the end where SSJ2 Goku and at most with Pikkon beat him.

DBZ Movie 10: The Dangerous Duo! Super-Warriors Can’t Rest (Broly Second Coming)
Release Date: March 12, 1994
Manga Release (4 months back): "One Must Enter the Tiger’s Den…" (Dec 6, 1993)
Manga Release (6 months back): "Shin’s Surprising True Identity" (Oct 11, 1993)
Latest Manga Chapter Release: "Countdown" (Mar 7, 1994)
Between Episodes: #220 ("The Man Behind the Curtains Appears!! The Evil Mage Babidi") - #221 ("The Awaiting Trap!! A Challenge From the Demon Realm")

LSSJ Broly> SSJ2 Goku(burst)

- Good Job, You Know that SSj2 goku Burst>SSj2 Vegeta

That may or may not be true. Vegeta is smart the bust could be under him but he knows if the burst is that strong then he is no match.

Everything else is fair game for debate.


Broly also didn't thank Gohan's attacks, Gohan hits him and Broly flinches and then beats Gohan. Gohan stopped Broly for 1 to 2 seconds and Gohan looks to be faster than Broly as well.

- Broly not catching Gohan is a plot for him to go into the lava even daizenshuu 6 states that he needed to execute his plan

Kid Buu 12 shotting Vegeta is plot as well but you like to bring that up.

Broly treated Gohan as trash but even Pre Majin Vegeta says Gohan is trash at this point.

- Thats great and all, But this is Movie 10 Gohan not Manga who trained for 7 years.

No where does it say Gohan trained for 7 years and if he did considering his M8 self was weak that could still equal his Budokai self.


Have you ever had a Broly debate with vegito1089 because I would pay to see you two go at it.

[PerfectFreeza]

If he was not ''targeting timelines'', then that would make Broly stronger than Vegetto.And I am sorry, but do you realize, how stupid that sounds?
Again, Gohan fared half-decent against Broly in M10, meaning Broly is in the range of mid-top tier SSJ2s, not in low SSJ3 tier.

[Cardle grave]

I'm not even on your topic of Kamehameha's anymore, stop brushing off evidence. Goku specifically stated that he, Gohan, and Vegeta together as SSJ2's could not defeat Fat Buu, who is weaker than SSJ3 Goku who was toying with him to buy time. SSJ3 Goku > Fat Buu > Goku/Gohan/Vegeta SSJ2.

Broly was defeated by the combined Kamehameha of SSJ2 Goku, SSJ2 Gohan, and SSJ Goten. Goten is obviously far, far below SSJ2 Vegeta.

SSJ3 Goku > Fat Buu > SSJ2 Goku/Gohan/Vegeta > SSJ2 Goku/Gohan, SSJ Goten > Broly.

Like do you have any common sense, First of all its because of Fat Buu regeneration is the reason why No SSj2 can beat him. But you can go and say he can tank the family Kamehameha if you want but perpared to get LOLED and Owned Seriously form it


That every SSJ2 has a different power so their is no universal SSJ2 power level,

- Thanks for telling me i never knew -.-


The numbers you used made SSJ2 Gohan and SSJ2 Goku's KKH equal which isn't right.

- Actually it is, 2.3x of the user. As shown in saiyan saga. it could me much much more as you know where people rank the kamehameha on DBZ.UK now do you


And AT made Gohan, TOEI can say what they want about Broly but they can't place him over Gohan.

- And why is that, He can place him on whoever he wants. Really get real what kind of Logic is that


DBZ Movie 8: Burn Up!! A Red-Hot, Raging, Super-Fierce Fight (Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan)
Release Date: March 6, 1993
Manga Release (4 months back): "Full Member Gathering!!" (Nov 2, 1992)
Manga Release (6 months back): "Super Trunks Surpasses His Father!" (Aug 31, 1992)
Latest Manga Chapter Release: "The Ultimate Kamehameha" (Mar 1, 1993)
Between Episodes: #176 ("Wait Just a Minute!! The Great Satan Army Arrives") - #177 ("Goku’s Bout!! The Super-Tense Cell Games")

Do you know that the script would be done by the time Gohan was SSJ2 and thus Movie 8 Broly's power was capped.

- Why would he care about the scripted, Toei is not targeting timelines his targeting why broly appeared in 3 movies. He doesn't care who appear before or after and Gohan was in the Movie 8 OOP So obviously he appeared before.

It means Broly in 8 is stronger than the saiyans that appear before himself, Gohan appears after the script is finished. Movie 10 appears before SSJ2 Goku makes a full appearance. Also Broly didn't appear in M11 in till to the end where SSJ2 Goku and at most with Paikuhan beat him.

- Wow still brings up the SSj2 killed Broly in hell Bullshit when nothing supports it, Really i don't see Toei saying his stronger then all of the other saiyan that appeared before him. He actually saying that his the strongest because he survived and continued to make 2 more movies. God Dam a Quote so easy to understand but obviously Genius like you think its targeting many of things, he knows about SSj2 gohan and unless you worked with him and saw what he done then i advise you to come up with better logic then that.

DBZ Movie 10: The Dangerous Duo! Super-Warriors Can’t Rest (Broly Second Coming)
Release Date: March 12, 1994
Manga Release (4 months back): "One Must Enter the Tiger’s Den…" (Dec 6, 1993)
Manga Release (6 months back): "Shin’s Surprising True Identity" (Oct 11, 1993)
Latest Manga Chapter Release: "Countdown" (Mar 7, 1994)
Between Episodes: #220 ("The Man Behind the Curtains Appears!! The Evil Mage Babidi") - #221 ("The Awaiting Trap!! A Challenge From the Demon Realm")

- go watch movie 6, Dende was kami on earth 6 months after Movie 6 was released

That may or may not be true. Vegeta is smart the bust could be under him but he knows if the burst is that strong then he is no match.

- OK good for you

Kid Buu 12 shotting Vegeta is plot as well but you like to bring that up.

- yeah i guess every fight is a plot then, Great logic

No where does it say Gohan trained for 7 years and if he did considering his M8 self was weak that could still equal his Budokai self.

- Yeah because training for 7 years not going to make up for such a small gap, What else are you going to add ?

Have you ever had a Broly debate with vegito1089 because I would pay to see you two go at it.[/quote]


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[Cardle grave]

If he was not ''targeting timelines'', then that would make Broly stronger than Vegetto.And I am sorry, but do you realize, how stupid that sounds?
Again, Gohan fared half-decent against Broly in M10, meaning Broly is in the range of mid-top tier SSJ2s, not in low SSJ3 tier.

No it Wouldn't LOL clearly he said he was the strongest form M8-M11 not the Strongest in the series. Not to mention you got M12 which shatters that point.

[Draken]

Or hey maybe it's only +500. How do you fucking know?

Before the fight with Majin Vegeta no one even knew Majin Buu had that insane haxed regen. It was his pure power that made him >> everyone.

If he couldn't Goku would have suggested it.