Did Vegeta keep the Baby power up?
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Did Vegeta keep the Baby power up?
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Re: Did Vegeta keep the baby power up?
I'm sorry? What baby power-up? Like, as a baby or an insignificant power-up, or something?
Edit: Oh. Bebi.
Edit: Oh. Bebi.
Re: Did Vegeta keep the baby power up?
Uh no...? It wasn't really a power-up so much as Baby's power added to his own or whatever. The infection itself was what gave Vegeta the extra power.
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Re: Did Vegeta keep the baby power up?
That's what I thought but the DBZ.UK were arguing that he kept the power because he was so much stronger than SSJ2 Ultimate Gohan in the S17 saga.Draken wrote:Uh no...? It wasn't really a power-up so much as Baby's power added to his own or whatever. The infection itself was what gave Vegeta the extra power.
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... SSJ2 Ultimate Gohan? Does that even exist? Or just random fan wanks.miguelnuva1 wrote:That's what I thought but the DBZ.UK were arguing that he kept the power because he was so much stronger than SSJ2 Ultimate Gohan in the S17 saga.Draken wrote:Uh no...? It wasn't really a power-up so much as Baby's power added to his own or whatever. The infection itself was what gave Vegeta the extra power.
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Re: Did Vegeta keep the baby power up?
GT perfect files say Gohan trained after DBZ so everyone over there says he starts at his Ultimate power and his potential reset allowing him to go MSSJ and SSJ2 again.Draken wrote:... SSJ2 Ultimate Gohan? Does that even exist? Or just random fan wanks.miguelnuva1 wrote:That's what I thought but the DBZ.UK were arguing that he kept the power because he was so much stronger than SSJ2 Ultimate Gohan in the S17 saga.Draken wrote:Uh no...? It wasn't really a power-up so much as Baby's power added to his own or whatever. The infection itself was what gave Vegeta the extra power.
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he never lost the forms in the first place he just didn't need to use theme cause he had his new mystic powers and saying that gohan lost theme is like saying goku lost kaioken cause he could go ssjmiguelnuva1 wrote:
GT perfect files say Gohan trained after DBZ so everyone over there says he starts at his Ultimate power and his potential reset allowing him to go MSSJ and SSJ2 again.
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Re: Did Vegeta keep the Baby power up?
SSJ2 Ultimate Gohan isn't a thing. Gohan can't stack SSJ on top of Ultimate because the entire point of Ultimate was to take all of Gohan's potential, and then some, and bring it out to a base form so he doesn't feel the strain of having to be transformed to use it. Furthermore, energy was transferred to Vegeta, did Goku keep the energy that was given to him when he beat Broly or when he fought Yi Xing Long? No.
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Re: Did Vegeta keep the Baby power up?
Well, didn't Vegeta did get stronger when Baby possessed him, even before he took the energy from the other Saiyans? I suppose it's possible that he could have kept that power, which would go a long way towards explaining how he was able to be equal to Goku when they fused. I doubt he kept the power that the Saiyans and the Earthlings gave him though.
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But that statement no make sense in the GT sense because, Vegeta is the strongest one behind Kakarotto. When Bebi was in the Goten´s body, he meet Gohan and he says that he is more powerful than Goten and he corroborates that when he is in the Gohan´s body. When Bebi Gohan fights against Vegeta, he says that Vegeta have more power than Gohan and he corroborates that when he posses Vegeta.miguelnuva1 wrote:
GT perfect files say Gohan trained after DBZ so everyone over there says he starts at his Ultimate power and his potential reset allowing him to go MSSJ and SSJ2 again.
That´s why Bebi fuses with Vegeta and no with the Kakarotto sons.
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Re: Did Vegeta keep the Baby power up?
"Ultimate Super Saiyan" makes no sense. The Super Saiyan forms draw more and more power from the Saiyan's dormant power, with Super Saiyan 4 (Super Saiyan 3 in the manga) reaching the limit. The Ultimate state brings out all the dormant powers, plus much more power. If Gohan can go Super Saiyan on to of Ultimate, then he wouldn't gain any power.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Did Vegeta keep the Baby power up?
If anything, Vegeta got one hell of a beating, which should amount to a proportional powerup because Zenkai.
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Zenkai's died post-Freeza.Dark Red Z wrote:If anything, Vegeta got one hell of a beating, which should amount to a proportional powerup because Zenkai.
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Re: Did Vegeta keep the Baby power up?
Or they got small. Either way, Vegeta wouldn't benefit too greatly. I just assume Goku's beating brought him down to SSJ4 Vegeta's level. Vegeta is a little more than half as strong as Goku in this series as far as I'm concerned.Draken wrote:Zenkai's died post-Freeza.Dark Red Z wrote:If anything, Vegeta got one hell of a beating, which should amount to a proportional powerup because Zenkai.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Re: Did Vegeta keep the Baby power up?
That's the way I see it too, Goku fought like the devil for the entire day before fusing with Vegeta. I don't necessarily agree with the half part cause I don't want to quantify GT levels, but yea, Vegeta should be much weaker. It's not DBVT after all.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Or they got small. Either way, Vegeta wouldn't benefit too greatly. I just assume Goku's beating brought him down to SSJ4 Vegeta's level. Vegeta is a little more than half as strong as Goku in this series as far as I'm concerned.Draken wrote:Zenkai's died post-Freeza.Dark Red Z wrote:If anything, Vegeta got one hell of a beating, which should amount to a proportional powerup because Zenkai.
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Re: Did Vegeta keep the Baby power up?
Goku was powered up beyond his limits at that point by Gohan, Goten, and Trunks.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Or they got small. Either way, Vegeta wouldn't benefit too greatly. I just assume Goku's beating brought him down to SSJ4 Vegeta's level. Vegeta is a little more than half as strong as Goku in this series as far as I'm concerned.Draken wrote:Zenkai's died post-Freeza.Dark Red Z wrote:If anything, Vegeta got one hell of a beating, which should amount to a proportional powerup because Zenkai.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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And then battered half to death by a guy over 10x stronger than him.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: Goku was powered up beyond his limits at that point by Gohan, Goten, and Trunks.
I still don't get how Omega didn't end Goku with a casual punch to knock his head off.
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Re: Did Vegeta keep the Baby power up?
He didn't get that much of a beat up.Draken wrote:And then battered half to death by a guy over 10x stronger than him.
Was Super Yi Xing Long stated that he was 10 times stronger?Draken wrote:I still don't get how Omega didn't end Goku with a casual punch to knock his head off.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Yea he said his new form gave him a 10x boost.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:He didn't get that much of a beat up.Draken wrote:And then battered half to death by a guy over 10x stronger than him.
Was Super Yi Xing Long stated that he was 10 times stronger?Draken wrote:I still don't get how Omega didn't end Goku with a casual punch to knock his head off.
He was pretty beat up...
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Re: Did Vegeta keep the Baby power up?
Then I guess he wasn't fighting seriously.
As for the difference between Goku & Vegeta, I think they are at around the same level, with Goku slightly stronger.
As for the difference between Goku & Vegeta, I think they are at around the same level, with Goku slightly stronger.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.