Did Goku risk turning evil if he finished Freezer off?

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Did Goku risk turning evil if he finished Freezer off?

Post by Dark Red Z » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:46 pm

When Freezer was begging Goku to help him somehow after he had been reduced to a torso with one arm.
If SSJ Goku killed him right then and there, could he have been in real danger of turning evil?

It occurred to me ask this in the "strike me down with all your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete" kinda context.
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Re: Did Goku risk turning evil if he finished Freezer off?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:51 pm

I doubt it. He had Kaio telling him to kill Freeza, and I doubt that he'd tell Goku to do something that would be considered evil. And when Trunks kills Freeza later on, and then dies fighting Cell, Shenron still brings him back, showing that he wasn't evil. Goku kills Yakon later, and is willing to have Cell killed by Gohan.
So, I don't think so.
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Re: Did Goku risk turning evil if he finished Freezer off?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:55 pm

God said it was okay. So it's okay.

But then again Other God said killing wasn't okay... hmmm...
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Re: Did Goku risk turning evil if he finished Freezer off?

Post by Hitiro » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:56 pm

In the anime, particularly the Funimation dub; Don't know if it is in the manga or the RAW Japanese episode. Kame-sennin says that Goku has currently been gifted with power an ordinary man could never dream of and he is struggling to keep a hold of who he is. So maybe if you want to take this line as him losing himself in the power of the SSJ it could be a possibility.
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Re: Did Goku risk turning evil if he finished Freezer off?

Post by Dark Red Z » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:57 pm

In none of those cases was their opponent blatantly defeated and begging for their life. Yakon and Cyborg Freezer were killed in the middle of combat. Cell could regenerate.

But on Namekusei, Freezer was long defeated, the fight way over.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:11 pm

Dark Red Z wrote:In none of those cases was their opponent blatantly defeated and begging for their life. Yakon and Cyborg Freezer were killed in the middle of combat. Cell could regenerate.

But on Namekusei, Freezer was long defeated, the fight way over.
Well, the closest thing I can think of is Piccolo walking away after chopping Babidi in half, leaving him to die, with Babidi begging for help. Piccolo managed to get over it without becoming evil again, so I'm pretty sure that Goku could get by, especially when he had a god telling him to do it.
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Re: Did Goku risk turning evil if he finished Freezer off?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:15 pm

No.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:43 pm

Hitiro wrote:In the anime, particularly the Funimation dub; Don't know if it is in the manga or the RAW Japanese episode. Kame-sennin says that Goku has currently been gifted with power an ordinary man could never dream of and he is struggling to keep a hold of who he is. So maybe if you want to take this line as him losing himself in the power of the SSJ it could be a possibility.
Wasn't that line in Cooler Revenge? If so I think it's Funi only
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Re: Did Goku risk turning evil if he finished Freezer off?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:48 pm

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Hitiro wrote:In the anime, particularly the Funimation dub; Don't know if it is in the manga or the RAW Japanese episode. Kame-sennin says that Goku has currently been gifted with power an ordinary man could never dream of and he is struggling to keep a hold of who he is. So maybe if you want to take this line as him losing himself in the power of the SSJ it could be a possibility.
Wasn't that line in Cooler Revenge? If so I think it's Funi only
Nope. It's in the anime when Goku goes SSJ for the first time. Roshi manages to sense him from Earth. Whether it's in the original or just the Funi dub though, I don't know.
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Re: Did Goku risk turning evil if he finished Freezer off?

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:31 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
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Hitiro wrote:In the anime, particularly the Funimation dub; Don't know if it is in the manga or the RAW Japanese episode. Kame-sennin says that Goku has currently been gifted with power an ordinary man could never dream of and he is struggling to keep a hold of who he is. So maybe if you want to take this line as him losing himself in the power of the SSJ it could be a possibility.
Wasn't that line in Cooler Revenge? If so I think it's Funi only
Nope. It's in the anime when Goku goes SSJ for the first time. Roshi manages to sense him from Earth. Whether it's in the original or just the Funi dub though, I don't know.
The wording sounds like funimation english.
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Re: Did Goku risk turning evil if he finished Freezer off?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:32 pm

TheGmGoken wrote: The wording sounds like funimation english.
Possibly. I'll check later today if no one has said anything by then.
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Re: Did Goku risk turning evil if he finished Freezer off?

Post by Beercorn » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:21 pm

IIRC, didn't Goku think he had killed Freezer when he fired back after Freezer refused to escape?

I mean, I suppose he may have sensed that Freezer still had some energy remaining after that final blast, but I don't think that's ever established.
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