Will You Be Buying The "Rock The Dragon" DVD Box Set?

[jjgp1112]

I've never once gotten a "superhero" vibe from any of Goku's North American voices. In fact, I think one of the biggest problems with Scehmmel's Goku at first was that the Peter Kelamis imitation he was forcing made him sound like a complete goober. He was too goofy sounding back then, and it made the serious stuff sound bad. He definitely got super hero *lines,* but the voice never really matched what Funi's writers were going for back then.

I think Schemmel and Corlett do a way better job at providing a well-rounded voice than Kelamis, overall. They're light-hearted, but at the same time not forced and overly-goofy.

[Attitudefan]

He was 9-10.... Please don't bring dub errors into this. Goku's and Gohan's voice were both high pitched in Japanese. Being a Saiyan doesn't deepen your voice. Furthermore, no 11-12 year old boy has a voice that deep.

Therefore, Vegeta with a "high" pitch voice is a-okay! Man, you dug yourself kinda deep with that one bro.

Anyways, Vegeta's voice in the Ocean dub isn't even high-pitch. It's deeper than a females voice. Actually, it's probably a tenor in terms of range but it can go low to that of Baritone depending on how he speaks. Like in the super saiyan clip that was linked to earlier, his voice goes quite low and deep when he is being fairly evil sounding.

[90sDBZ]

He was 9-10.... Please don't bring dub errors into this. Goku's and Gohan's voice were both high pitched in Japanese. Being a Saiyan doesn't deepen your voice. Furthermore, no 11-12 year old boy has a voice that deep.

So you're basically just using the excuse that it's okay for Goku to sound like a little girl just because it was in the original but it's not okay for Kid Gohan to have a deep voice in the English version. Just because something was in the original it doesn't automatically mean it's better. Don't get me wrong though I do like Nozawa's Goku. I just don't see why fans of the Japanese version are so hypocritical about Nadolny.

And I'm not bringing dub errors into this. Gohan would have been around 11 at the Cell Games. At the start of Z he was 4. Add one year training with Piccolo and he's 5. Then there was the 2 years between Goku beating Frieza and Trunks arriving so Gohan would be 7. Then the 3 year timeskip and he's 10. Then you add his year in the Time Chamber and he's biologically 11. Possibly even 11 and a half depending on how close he was to 5 at the start of Z.

And you can't know for sure that Saiyans don't age differently. It's neither confirmed or disconfirmed but it makes sense that an alien race would have certain differences in their growth compared to humans.

Also I agree with jjgp1112 about Corlett and Schemmel. They both gave well rounded performances.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I don't think you know the definition of hypocrite.... No, The timeline says Gohan is 10. Nadolny has an annoyingly gruff voice that does NOT convey a child.

[VegettoEX]

If we could pull the discussion back toward this actual set, that would be spectacular.

[TheGmGoken]

If we could pull the discussion back toward this actual set, that would be spectacular.

I actually think we're still on topic. People comparing the Goku voices. Someone mention Henderson I think which led to Nadolony comments. Can't expect voice comparing and criticism on the voicing on a topic like this. Yeah show some might be on FUNi but since this is an Ocean topic you should expect Funimation to be mention. For MOST people on this website case. They will buy the DVD cause they like the aspects of it such as Music or Voices. Which leads to the things I listed above. Sometimes ya know. You're to serious

[theoriginalbilis]

According to the most recent ANNCast where they interviewed FUNimation reps, they said they tried to get some of the Toonami commercials/trailers/bumpers/etc to use as extras, but many of them couldn't be used due to royalites/music licenses.

[TheGmGoken]

According to the most recent ANNCast where they interviewed FUNimation reps, they said they tried to get some of the Toonami commercials/trailers/bumpers/etc to use as extras, but many of them couldn't be used due to royalites/music licenses.

Damn that sucks. I never liked Ocean dub but the Toonmai promos for them was cool.

[Ringworm128]

Except for the laugh they all sound like problems that could easily be fixed by better direction. And despite Coleen Clinkenbeard being one of if not my most favorite voice actresses I am "meh" on her Goku, she gives Goku a generic "ruff and tumble boy" voice with absolutely nothing memorable about it. I'd rather Awkward laugh raspy Goku over that any day.

No, the Krusty laugh isn't the only problem. Her inflections are god awful. I fail to see how your argument about having better direction couldn't easily apply to Ms Clinkenbeard. She only had a single movie, and I loved her in it. Nadolny is memorable, and that's a problem, I remember how much her performance bugs me. I have no idea why anyone would want Nadolny's akward cadence to Clinkenbeard's smooth voice.

Coleen Clinkenbeard's Goku could improve with better direction but as of now it's "ok". Nadalony may have a few problems here and there but she brings a charm to Goku that I just don't hear with Clinkenbeard's Goku. And Nadalony improved in the games so it's possible she could have gotten even better. Given the right script, direction and time to rehearse her lines I reckon Nadalony could wipe the floor with Clinkenbeard, at least as far as voicing Kid Goku goes. Coleen Clinkenbeard's Goku might sound the most natural/realistic but that doesn't mean it's the best, it's like when people try to argue that Heath Ledger was the best Joker live action or animated simply because he sounded more realistic. Anyway back to the set, if it turns out the movies aren't uncut then I will not get this unless it becomes REALLY cheap.

[dbboxkaifan]

It would be a huge bonus if FUNimation included dubtitles for the hard-hearing viewers because otherwise they can't enjoy the sets, this is the same issue that occurs with many other series because they don't include dubtitles. Japan has it worst, though.

[ABED]

Except for the laugh they all sound like problems that could easily be fixed by better direction. And despite Coleen Clinkenbeard being one of if not my most favorite voice actresses I am "meh" on her Goku, she gives Goku a generic "ruff and tumble boy" voice with absolutely nothing memorable about it. I'd rather Awkward laugh raspy Goku over that any day.

No, the Krusty laugh isn't the only problem. Her inflections are god awful. I fail to see how your argument about having better direction couldn't easily apply to Ms Clinkenbeard. She only had a single movie, and I loved her in it. Nadolny is memorable, and that's a problem, I remember how much her performance bugs me. I have no idea why anyone would want Nadolny's akward cadence to Clinkenbeard's smooth voice.

Coleen Clinkenbeard's Goku could improve with better direction but as of now it's "ok". Nadalony may have a few problems here and there but she brings a charm to Goku that I just don't hear with Clinkenbeard's Goku. And Nadalony improved in the games so it's possible she could have gotten even better. Given the right script, direction and time to rehearse her lines I reckon Nadalony could wipe the floor with Clinkenbeard, at least as far as voicing Kid Goku goes. Coleen Clinkenbeard's Goku might sound the most natural/realistic but that doesn't mean it's the best, it's like when people try to argue that Heath Ledger was the best Joker live action or animated simply because he sounded more realistic. Anyway back to the set, if it turns out the movies aren't uncut then I will not get this unless it becomes REALLY cheap.

Nadolny didn't have a few problems she had a few MAJOR problems, and sounding like she's trying too hard is one of them. Even on her best day, she's not that good an actress. Sounding more natural is very important. Nadolny's inflections aren't naturalist, it's her trying to sound happy and care free, but it just comes off as irritating, not charming, and her Goku voice sounds like sandpaper. To be charming, she would have to be pleasing to the ear, and she's not to mine.

Ledger's joker was the best because it was the most interesting, and he disappeared into role.

[Ringworm128]

The way people go on about Nadalony's rasp you would expect her Goku to like Rita Repulsa from Power Rangers. She gave him a rasp but it wasn't the sole aspect of the voice tone. And IMO Coleen Clinkenbeard sounds like she's trying too hard, she sounds like she's pushing the "he's a jungle boy" aspect to it's limit. Nadalony has a cute tone with a naive innocences put into the performance, Clinkenbeard is nothing but "Goku should sound wild" to the point where her Goku almost sounds obnoxious at times. Clinkenbeard's Goku is pretty much a poor mans Saffron Henderson Goku. If anything I could describe it as the love child of Saffron Henderson's Goku and Tiffany Grants Asuka Langley Soryu.

[NitroEX]

The way people go on about Nadalony's rasp you would expect her Goku to like Rita Repulsa from Power Rangers.

Funny you say that since Barbara Goodson (Rita Repulsa) played Goku in the Harmony Gold dub.

[Ringworm128]

The way people go on about Nadalony's rasp you would expect her Goku to like Rita Repulsa from Power Rangers.

Funny you say that since Barbara Goodson (Rita Repulsa) played Goku in the Harmony Gold dub.

Really?

[superrayman3]

The way people go on about Nadalony's rasp you would expect her Goku to like Rita Repulsa from Power Rangers.

Funny you say that since Barbara Goodson (Rita Repulsa) played Goku in the Harmony Gold dub.

Really?

I'm going to assume you're just saying that for lols, but on the off chance that you're asking legitamately the answer is yes Barbara Goodson did play Goku/Zero in the Harmony Gold dub.

[ABED]

The rasp is less of a bother to me than her unnatural inflections and that laugh. I don't find either of those things "cute" at all. Her rasp is more pronounced as Gohan. Colleen is way more like Saffron Henderson than Nadolny. Nadolny is a fine singer, but not a good actress.

[OutlawTorn]

I think I may pick this up, because it would be nice to have these episodes available in higher quality than crappy broadcast recordings. I'm not sure how much I would actually watch it, though, considering it's not a complete version of the series and I don't think it's likely FUNimation would license the latter dub.

I don't think you know the definition of hypocrite.... No, The timeline says Gohan is 10. Nadolny has an annoyingly gruff voice that does NOT convey a child.

You do realize you're trying to argue realism about English version Gohan with a "gruff" voice when you're perfectly fine with Japanese version Goku sounding like an old woman, you know... the same criticism given to non-Kai English Frieza?

People who jump to Nozawa's defense always bring up Mike Tyson or Michael Jackson, so go onto YouTube and do a search for deep voiced children and you will see some videos of kids with deeper voices than Gohan was portrayed with. I can certainly understand people being irritated with the noises, laugh, etc. Nadolny employed with Gohan's voice since Nozawa's ridiculous choking noises when trying to convey intensity or sucking in air and screeching seriously get on my nerves.

The thing is, there will never be a unanimous agreement about voices or performances and our views are all just personal opinions, no less valid than any other.

[90sDBZ]

I don't think you know the definition of hypocrite.... No, The timeline says Gohan is 10. Nadolny has an annoyingly gruff voice that does NOT convey a child.

Well I'm not going by some stupid timeline. I'm going by the Manga. The source material itself. And whether you want to count it or not Gohan spent nearly a full year in the Time Chamber so naturally he'd age. Even if the timeline says 10 that's only 10 years on earth and 11 biological years alive and he clearly aged significantly during his time in the Time Chamber.

And I don't see what you're getting at in saying I don't know what a hypocrite is. Fans of the Japanese complain about Gohan not sounding his age in the dub but defend Goku not sounding his age or gender in the Japanese version so therefore they are hypocritical.

[DoomieDoomie911]

No, I won't be buying it. I don't have any nestalgia with the ocean cast, and I don't watch the dub anyway, so it would be pretty pointless for me to buy it.

[ABED]

Nozawa's Goku doesn't sound like an old woman, and I don't have a problem with Nadolny giving Gohan a voice that's deeper than most kids that age, but I don't think she is good as Son Gohan or Son Goku.