Did Gohan even lose power?

[Sleazy Freeza]

Not training for seven years would make anybody weaker in my opinion.

[Kamiccolo9]

Not training for seven years would make anybody weaker in my opinion.

It's a little more vague than that, though. Vegeta says he didn't do any "serious" training, which I take to mean that Gohan didn't spar. It's obvious that he did basic exercise, as he's in pretty good shape, and not fat or really skinny. It's not like Roshi, who sat around watching porn all day and fell out of shape; Gohan's just really rusty at fighting. And he seems to have lost his ability to always transform into SSJ2 at will. That would definitely make him weaker than he was before, without lowering his battle power.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Obvious? Gohan didn't train at all as far as I'm concerned. He doesn't have to train once for 7 years to maintain that shape.

[Kamiccolo9]

Obvious? Gohan didn't train at all as far as I'm concerned. He doesn't have to train once for 7 years to maintain that shape.

Have you seen what happens to people who don't exercise for 7 years? They don't look anything like Gohan. He didn't train for fighting, but keeping in decent shape? I'd say he did. Otherwise he would have been weezing and gasping all during the fight with Dabura.

[Sleazy Freeza]

I think someone as powerful as Gohan would have to get millions of times weaker before there was any noticeable difference in his physique. He can't really be compared to any real life human in that regard.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Obvious? Gohan didn't train at all as far as I'm concerned. He doesn't have to train once for 7 years to maintain that shape.

Have you seen what happens to people who don't exercise for 7 years? They don't look anything like Gohan. He didn't train for fighting, but keeping in decent shape? I'd say he did. Otherwise he would have been weezing and gasping all during the fight with Dabura.

You think he doesn't go outside and mess around? He can keep that shape without training.

[Kamiccolo9]

I think someone as powerful as Gohan would have to get millions of times weaker before there was any noticeable difference in his physique. He can't really be compared to any real life human in that regard.

Well, there is also this guy

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Not training for seven years would make anybody weaker in my opinion.

But would that affect a Saiyan? Goten & Trunks also skipped their training during the 10 years time-skip, and Daizenshuu stated that their power didn't change (like Gohan's power didn't change after 7 years), so I believe that the fact that they are Saiyans, which is a fighting race, blocks their bodies from getting weaker.

Gohan didn't train at all as far as I'm concerned.

That's not true.

Chapter: 452 (DBZ 258), P1.1-4
Goku: “Gohan, it’s your turn next, but have you trained properly?”
Vegeta: “Unfortunately, it seems he got carried away in peace and didn’t do any significant training. Our powers are higher than his now…Though I suppose there’s no telling what would happen if he snapped and went into a frenzy… ”
Kaioshin: “S-so that’s why these 3 have such composure...In a pinch, they can put forth tremendous power, like Son Goku displayed momentarily…”

[TheMightyOzaru]

And Vegeta knows what Gohan was up to because....? Gohan just doing basic exercises to maintain his shape isn't really training as far as I'm concerned anyway.

[MDSTSSJ]

Not training for seven years would make anybody weaker in my opinion.

But would that affect a Saiyan? Goten & Trunks also skipped their training during the 10 years time-skip, and Daizenshuu stated that their power didn't change (like Gohan's power didn't change after 7 years), so I believe that the fact that they are Saiyans, which is a fighting race, blocks their bodies from getting weaker.

Manga statement Vs Daizenshuu statement??

This time I keep with the Manga statement. Gohan is weaker than before!

Besides, they are not Saiyans at all. They are Hibrids. Maybe that work for pure Saiyans my friend

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Gohan did some training with Goten, but that's about it.

If Gohan was only a Super Saiyan against Dabra, there's no doubt he's weaker. Especially if Vegeta's comparing Super Saiyan Teen Gohan to Super Saiyan Kid Gohan. The latter was already the most powerful warrior there next to Cell, and he had no rage boost adding to his power. Vegeta knows Super Saiyan Kid Gohan would be enough to defeat someone as pathetic as Dabra, while Teen Gohan is shown to be strong enough to only fight evenly with him at best.

[Cardle grave]

I doubt he lost a shit loads of it

If You remember Vegeta he compare gohan at budokai to his enrage self as a Kid, And Waiting for Dabura after seeing goku goes SSJ2 who is > SSJ2 vegeta himself he states that "We Properly surpass him" But he use to be fierce when he was angry. He doesn't know Gohan power. If he Knew he would of said he Far surpass but he was still a bit edgy with it

[hleV]

Is there anywhere a statement that Gohan's gotten weaker? Sure, he's not as strong as he was against Cell, but that's because against Cell he had a rage boost. But is his SS now weaker than his SS against Cell? Is there anything implying that at all? At the beginning of the Boo arc he looks somewhat skinny and out of shape, but he looks quite muscular while training for the 25th TB. Perhaps fighting criminals as Great Saiyaman has somewhat returned him to shape?

[Cardle grave]

Didn't Somewhere in Daizenshuu state that gohan barely lost any power or was still equal with Kid gohan self ?

[dprez]

Seams obvious to me from reading the manga that "adult" Gohan is weaker than Cell games Gohan ( "Rage" doesn't seem like much of a factor here, even when we see Gohan enraged during Videls beating, after we still hear and see how he is weaker than he was.), when he should be stronger, which is why Vegeta was so disappointed when he first see's him. A child Gohan fresh out of the rosat had a higher ki then the book worm grown up Gohan, and Vegeta noticed. Just imagine If he trained during all that time.

Even Roshi thought Goku might've gotten soft after settling down with a family, which seams to imply a warrior can get weaker if their lifestyle changes. Gohan was never a fighter in the first place, so I can see his over all battle power lessening a bit over the years. I see it stated and shown in the manga.

Gohan did some training with Goten, but that's about it.

If Gohan was only a Super Saiyan against Dabra, there's no doubt he's weaker. Especially if Vegeta's comparing Super Saiyan Teen Gohan to Super Saiyan Kid Gohan. The latter was already the most powerful warrior there next to Cell, and he had no rage boost adding to his power. Vegeta knows Super Saiyan Kid Gohan would be enough to defeat someone as pathetic as Dabra, while Teen Gohan is shown to be strong enough to only fight evenly with him at best.

Yes, I do believe he was, and yes, I do believe Vegeta was speaking of the "Kid" Gohan Ssj he witnessed compared to this "Adult" Gohan's Ssj form. It's what I see and what is stated. And of course we know for certain Vegeta saw "adult" Gohans Ssj2 form prior, which interestingly enough actually looked like it could've been rage induced.

I feel like you are making the most sense here Super Saiyan Turlast x4.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Is there anywhere a statement that Gohan's gotten weaker? Sure, he's not as strong as he was against Cell, but that's because against Cell he had a rage boost. But is his SS now weaker than his SS against Cell? Is there anything implying that at all? At the beginning of the Boo arc he looks somewhat skinny and out of shape, but he looks quite muscular while training for the 25th TB. Perhaps fighting criminals as Great Saiyaman has somewhat returned him to shape?

Vegeta states Gohan was stronger as a Kid while SSJ Gohan was fighting Dabura. SSJ Gohan never really displayed any rage boosts so I don't see why Vegeta would compare an enraged SSJ Gohan to the Gohan fighting Dabura based on that.

[Cardle grave]

Well Vegeta was never impressed with gohan until he was enrage. Even after he powered up he stated he was no match for cell despite being stronger then his Dad.

[dprez]

Gohan did get angry when Cell told his juniors to kill their opponents, and Cell noticed Gohan's ki rise.

It's true that in whatever form Gohan is in, even if he's focusing and trying his best, his true power is only awakened when he gets angry and loses control. We see Gohan lose it when Videl is almost killed, and shortly after he shows his Ssj2 form, and he never looks like that again.

So a rage boost concept for Gohan works, as Goku tells us that over the years Gohan is strongest when he loses it, but what I understand is that Gohan becomes weaker when he grows up. Sure he may be more mature, and his inner rage may be more difficult to reach, but it's his overall level of strength that has decreased. It's noticeable to both Vegeta and Goku when Gohan briefly shows his Ssj2 form, and when he seemingly fights in his Ssj1 form against Dabura.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Gohan just doing basic exercises to maintain his shape isn't really training as far as I'm concerned anyway.

It is training, no matter how you see it. Except if you (falsely) consider training only when someone gets a lot stronger.

Manga statement Vs Daizenshuu statement??

This time I keep with the Manga statement. Gohan is weaker than before!

Like I said, Vegeta could be saying that Gohan is weaker because of his rusty skills, not for his battle power. Check this:

Chapter: 455 (DBZ 261), P6.1-2
Context: as Dabra fights Gohan
Goku: “Magic, huh? [Dabra]’s way stronger than I thought, ain’t he?”
Vegeta: “Hmph…Even so, he’s not an opponent [he? we?] can’t win against. [Gohan]’s so pathetic…So much so that he was stronger as a brat…”
Goku: “He really did slack off!”

So, Dabra is an opponent that Goku & Vegeta can win, or he is an opponent that Gohan can win against? It can be translated as either "he" (Gohan) or "we" (Goku & Vegeta). But ignoring that line, Vegeta is only talking about Gohan's power at that point, he isn't comparing himself & Goku with Gohan. And we also see Goku calling Dabra stronger because of his skills (magic), so Vegeta could also be saying that Gohan is weaker because he doesn't have the same skill & fighting instinct that he had before (he is too slow at finishing his opponent), and if the above line is translated with a "he" instead of a "we", it supports what I say.

Besides, they are not Saiyans at all. They are Hibrids. Maybe that work for pure Saiyans my friend

They are Saiyans. Gohan, Goten, and Trunks have all the Saiyan characteristics (Saiyan transformations & eat shitloads of food), except that they are not violent & fighting junkies, and they can change their hairstyle (and they also have some things better than the full Saiyans).

Is there anywhere a statement that Gohan's gotten weaker?

Check the quote I posted.

[MDSTSSJ]

Like I said, Vegeta could be saying that Gohan is weaker because of his rusty skills, not for his battle power. Check this:

Chapter: 455 (DBZ 261), P6.1-2
Context: as Dabra fights Gohan
Goku: “Magic, huh? [Dabra]’s way stronger than I thought, ain’t he?”
Vegeta: “Hmph…Even so, he’s not an opponent [he? we?] can’t win against. [Gohan]’s so pathetic…So much so that he was stronger as a brat…”
Goku: “He really did slack off!”

So, Dabra is an opponent that Goku & Vegeta can win, or he is an opponent that Gohan can win against? It can be translated as either "he" (Gohan) or "we" (Goku & Vegeta). But ignoring that line, Vegeta is only talking about Gohan's power at that point, he isn't comparing himself & Goku with Gohan. And we also see Goku calling Dabra stronger because of his skills (magic), so Vegeta could also be saying that Gohan is weaker because he doesn't have the same skill & fighting instinct that he had before (he is too slow at finishing his opponent), and if the above line is translated with a "he" instead of a "we", it supports what I say.

You are right my friend but, what about this:

Chapter: 444 (DBZ 250), P6.3-5
Context: after Gohan becomes a Super Saiyan 2
Spopovitch: “He-hey, look at this…”
*the energy meter spins around*
Yamu: “Stupendous energy…! It’s him!”

Chapter: 444 (DBZ 250), P7.1-4
Gohan: “Well, I’ve become a Super Saiyan. Now what? Is it alright if I fight like this?”
Kibito: “…Wh-what tremendous power…I can’t believe he’s a being of the lower world!”
Vegeta: “…Hmph…That bastard, he was far, far better when he killed Cell. It’s because he slacked off in his training during peacetime…”

¨Far better when he killed Cell¨ in this case means stronger than that Gohan SSJ2 that kill Cell.

After this, I still think that Gohan become weaker, furthermore rusty and unskilled fighter!!