The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Well if you notice Broly is buff and still has green hair so he is a LSSJ3. His SSJ3 form would be the usual 400x base but I think LSSJ Broly is SSJ3 x LSSJ Multiplier on top of SSJ.

I know, and I agree with you in this. What I disagree with you is about is the LSS form is just another buff form like the Grades.

Which makes me wonder, would Broly's LSSJ ability to have his ki be "overflowing" negate the SSJ3 power drain?

Depends which effect of the two is greater. If the power rise from the LSS form is greater than the power drop from the SS3 form, then his power would rise, but slower. If the power drop is greater than the power rise, then his power would drop, but also slower. If the power rise is equal to the power drop, then both of them would go away, since 1-1=0.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Which makes me wonder, would Broly's LSSJ ability to have his ki be "overflowing" negate the SSJ3 power drain?

I'd say so.

[RandomGuy96]

Good Buu vs
-SS2 Vegeta (post-Majin)
-SS2 Goku
-Both

[Draken]

Good Buu vs
-SS2 Vegeta (post-Majin)
-SS2 Goku
-Both

I think Good Buu is still a good deal stronger than normal SSJ2's, so he should have 1 and 2. With his haxed regen and abilities he could pull off 3 as well, depends on how well Goku and Vegeta work together.

[RandomGuy96]

Well I think Good Buu is SS3 tier, and could one-shot these guys.

While it's purely subjective, I actually think Good Buu is around SS2 Gotenks, since Good Buu actually managed to hold his own against Kid Buu, which I don't think he could've done if he was four times weaker like the SS2s would be.

[Draken]

Well I think Good Buu is SS3 tier, and could one-shot these guys.

While it's purely subjective, I actually think Good Buu is around SS2 Gotenks, since Good Buu actually managed to hold his own against Kid Buu, which I don't think he could've done if he was four times weaker like the SS2s would be.

I have him at a high-tier SSJ2, and he was only holding his own due to regen and abilities. Still he should take one and two with relative ease.

I'd have SSJ2 Gotenks able to absolutely rock Good Buu O_O. Good Buu should be weaker than Fat Buu and SSJ Gotenks was theoretically enough to take down Fat Buu.

[RandomGuy96]

Nah, he went hand to hand with an enraged Kid Buu, dodging and countering, and landed a few solid hits which at least pissed Kid Buu off, which has nothing to do with regeneration. Kid Buu even seem alarmed by his blast, which he barley dodged.

Well apparently I'm unusual in that I have Evil Buu and Good Buu way higher than docile Fat Buu (IMO, they were both halves of his inner power, not his usable power, they just seem way too strong to be parts of the Fat Buu Goku dominated and Vegeta put up a fight against, and in Evil Buu's case there is simple math involved), and Fat Buu as high SS2-tier.

[Draken]

Nah, he went hand to hand with an enraged Kid Buu, dodging and countering, and landed a few solid hits which at least pissed Kid Buu off, which has nothing to do with regeneration. Kid Buu even seem alarmed by his blast, which he barley dodged.

Well apparently I'm unusual in that I have Evil Buu and Good Buu way higher than docile Fat Buu (IMO, they were both halves of his inner power, not his usable power, they just seem way too strong to be parts of the Fat Buu Goku dominated and Vegeta put up a fight against, and in Evil Buu's case there is simple math involved), and Fat Buu as high SS2-tier.

Well I have the Fat Buu that Goku fought about half of his SSJ3, so 2x SSJ2, high SSj2 tier/very low SSj3 tier. Evil Buu was much larger than half of Fat Buu's power, and Good Buu, like I've said, would be about high SSJ2 tier, so the Fat Buu Goku fought, but not Fat Buu's highest power. Good Buu should be far from SSJ3, he held his own for a few and then got extremely stomped.

[RandomGuy96]

He did hold his own, however. He did about as well as Freeza did against Goku IMO, and he can't really do that with too big of a gap. A x2 gap (or more) would result in complete and utter pwnage, with Good Buu being unable to land a hit. We've seen this happen in fights like 50% Freeza vs Goku, Nappa vs Goku, Freeza vs Piccolo, and even lesser gaps like Cui vs Vegeta and SS2 Gohan vs Perfect Cell. That's why I think Fat Buu is a lot higher than SS2 Goku/Vegeta but nowhere near twice as powerful (Vegeta put up a fight against him while Fat Buu couldn't even budge Goku), while Good Buu is pretty close to SS3 Goku. Evil Buu I think is at least a little stronger than Kid Buu.

[Cardle grave]

Good Buu would beat them individually but together they stomp him bad

[Draken]

He did hold his own, however. He did about as well as Freeza did against Goku IMO, and he can't really do that with too big of a gap. A x2 gap (or more) would result in complete and utter pwnage, with Good Buu being unable to land a hit. We've seen this happen in fights like 50% Freeza vs Goku, Nappa vs Goku, Freeza vs Piccolo, and even lesser gaps like Cui vs Vegeta and SS2 Gohan vs Perfect Cell. That's why I think Fat Buu is a lot higher than SS2 Goku/Vegeta but nowhere near twice as powerful (Vegeta put up a fight against him while Fat Buu couldn't even budge Goku), while Good Buu is pretty close to SS3 Goku. Evil Buu I think is at least a little stronger than Kid Buu.

Not really, he held his own for only a few panels/minutes, like I said, if that even counts as holding his own. Really all he did was provide another body for Kid Buu to beat up on while they stalled for time.

For a second I thought you meant Evil Buu as in Super Buu lol I'm like wait he's wayyyy above Kid Buu. How can Evil Buu be stronger than Kid Buu though O_O. Fat Buu is below Kid Buu, and Evil Buu is only a portion of Fat Buu.

@Cardle any reasoning whatsoever?

[RandomGuy96]

Yeah, really. And I don't get how "he got beaten shortly after" really is relevant. The point he still held his own and gave Kid Buu trouble. That is not something an SS2-tier fighter would be able to do at all.

Evil Buu and Good Buu both take parts of Fat Buu's power- that, is part of his total power, not his usable power. The power he could use is severely neutered from his full potential due to the Kaioshin influence. When he gets angry, his power spikes as the Kid Buu influence takes over. His true potential is represented in Super Buu, who has the same components as Fat Buu, just rearranged.

Also: Evil Buu has better feats against Good Buu than Kid Buu does, both Kid Buu and Evil Buu were stated to be pure evil, and mathematically Evil Buu should be at least equal to Kid Buu:

Evil Buu + Kid Buu = Super Buu

Super Buu - Good Buu = Kid Buu

[Cardle grave]

Yeah, really. And I don't get how "he got beaten shortly after" really is relevant. The point he still held his own and gave Kid Buu trouble. That is not something an SS2-tier fighter would be able to do at all.

Evil Buu and Good Buu both take parts of Fat Buu's power- that, is part of his total power, not his usable power. The power he could use is severely neutered from his full potential due to the Kaioshin influence. When he gets angry, his power spikes as the Kid Buu influence takes over. His true potential is represented in Super Buu, who has the same components as Fat Buu, just rearranged.

Also: Evil Buu has better feats against Good Buu than Kid Buu does, both Kid Buu and Evil Buu were stated to be pure evil, and mathematically Evil Buu should be at least equal to Kid Buu:

Evil Buu + Kid Buu = Super Buu

Super Buu - Good Buu = Kid Buu

Kid Buu Stomped him, he was only surviving because of his regeneration but that was taking a plugged

[Ringworm128]

23rd TB Krillin vs Cyborg Tao?

[RandomGuy96]

Kid Buu Stomped him, he was only surviving because of his regeneration but that was taking a plugged

That wasn't really a stomp by Dragon Ball standards- Vegeta vs Cui, Goku vs Nappa, those were stomps. Here, Good Buu traded blows with Kid Buu, dodging and countering, caused him some damage, survived a lot in turn, and landed a few hits that seemed to actually hurt the beast. He also genuinely made Kid Buu mad, and Kid Buu looked very alarmed after he narrowly dodged one of Good Buu's blasts. Do you think that, say, Majin Vegeta could pull any of that off?

What does "but that was taking a plugged" even mean?

23rd TB Krillin vs Cyborg Tao?

Krillin planned on ganging up on Cyborg Tao and was shocked when Tien beat him. Cyborg Tao is also at 210 according to V-Jump; Krillin was at 206 at the BOZ (where he could easily beat Tao), but should be decently weaker than that here, maybe 175-ish? Those three things make me say that Tao would win after a tough fight.

70% Mecha Freeza vs Android 19 or 20

70% Mecha Freeza vs King Cold

70% Mecha Freeza vs 100% organic Freeza

[Cardle grave]

That wasn't really a stomp by Dragon Ball standards- Vegeta vs Cui, Goku vs Nappa, those were stomps. Here, Good Buu traded blows with Kid Buu, dodging and countering, caused him some damage, survived a lot in turn, and landed a few hits that seemed to actually hurt the beast. He also genuinely made Kid Buu mad, and Kid Buu looked very alarmed after he narrowly dodged one of Good Buu's blasts. Do you think that, say, Majin Vegeta could pull any of that off?

What does "but that was taking a plugged" even mean?

He done well in the beginning but he still got Stomped in the end, Kid buu just wrecked him after bad and if he was SSj3 he would of equaled him and had a long decent fight not land 2 hits and then get stomped. Join my forum Random for some great debates

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Tao beats Krillin.

I think either Android would handle Mecha Freeza. Not sure about Mecha Freeza and Cold. Freeza was stronger than Cold, but I'm not sure about 70% of his power being enough--especially if Cold's only supposed to be "slightly" weaker. I think 100% Freeza would defeat his Mecha form at that level of power.

[RandomGuy96]

Why place these androids so strong?

The thing is, it isn't just a pure power levels thing; 100% Freeza and likely King Cold as well has stamina issues when at 100% power. If 100% Freeza is 120,000,000, and King Cold is slightly weaker at 100,000,000-110,000,000, then theoretically 70% Mecha Freeza should be able to outlast them. He should be barley weaker than Cold in the first place, and can even be stronger than him (subjective, depending on where you have Mecha Freeza), and not that much weaker than his 100% organic self. Freeza only used 100% power for a few minutes before it started to drop.

By my estimates, 70% Mecha Freeza would be around 100,000,000 and so would Cold. IMO 70% Mecha Freeza would beat Cold without that much trouble; they're basically equal in power, but Mecha Freeza has the advantage in both stamina and techniques. 100% Freeza vs Mecha Freeza would be tougher. It's not a huge gap, and Freeza has some techniques that are good for stalling for time.

He done well in the beginning but he still got Stomped in the end, Kid buu just wrecked him after bad and if he was SSj3 he would of equaled him and had a long decent fight not land 2 hits and then get stomped

He's SS3 tier. As in, he's in the same general realm of power as them, demonstrated by his ability to actually fight a SS3-tier powerhouse. Like how 100% Freeza is in the same general realm of power as Goku but is still weaker. There's simply no way he can go toe to toe with Kid Buu if he's on the same level as a weakling like Vegeta.

[Cardle grave]

He's SS3 tier. As in, he's in the same general realm of power as them, demonstrated by his ability to actually fight a SS3-tier powerhouse. Like how 100% Freeza is in the same general realm of power as Goku but is still weaker. There's simply no way he can go toe to toe with Kid Buu if he's on the same level as a weakling like Vegeta.

Going by your logic, Piccolo is also in the same tier as Freeza and so is gohan

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Because I think the initial Androids start out stronger than Freeza. Since I have Piccolo much stronger than Freeza, I have them right in the middle of Freeza and Piccolo. I prefer it that way.

Never really thought much of 70% Mecha Freeza, but I understand your explanation.