The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Cardle grave » Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:25 pm

PerfectFreeza wrote:Why?I doubt Goku would revert, just because of Chi-Chi.Gohan was on the picnic, so no reason for him to revert.For all we know, when he went to the picnic, Goku was still SSJ.
Post-Rosat Vegetas and Trunkses? look the same.The ''Oop'' shows the next major events.
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Man the guys is scared the chi chi, no dinner and he would be her slave. The OOP shows the poster of the events i have told you this to many times already. Let end this agree to disagree or whatever its called

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PerfectFreeza » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:11 am

Really no.Goku even managed to get Gohan to train with them, so the chances of him reverting due to Chi Chi, is unlikely.
The OOP shows the next events after.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Cardle grave » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:16 am

PerfectFreeza wrote:Really no.Goku even managed to get Gohan to train with them, so the chances of him reverting due to Chi Chi, is unlikely.
The OOP shows the next events after.
Shows posters of the next events, So your saying to me that movie 9 happened in the 10 day wait since it shows the scenes in cell games. And also Gohan is SSj2 in the poster of Movie 8. Just to let you know that obviously its targeting cell games they are targeting and they must know gohan full power. But like i said it doesn't matter

And They use the same goku had in movie 8 for buu saga. Watch when goku goes SSj3 against fat buu and when he goes SSJ

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PerfectFreeza » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:21 am

Of course it would show the Cell Games.They happened before it and the movie is heavily following them.It's not trageting Cell Games.
What are you talking about?No, M8 Goku isn't Buu saga Goku.
What does Goku against Fat Buu have to do anything?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Cardle grave » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:25 am

Of course it would show the Cell Games.They happened before it and the movie is heavily following them.It's not trageting Cell Games.
So Movie 9 is not cell games, thanks for the heads up. Am i going by your logic and say piccolo is the 2nd strongest in the movie and so it must of be in a universe where they all go dramatically weaker since there no training.
What are you talking about?No, M8 Goku isn't Buu saga Goku.What does Goku against Fat Buu have to do anything?
I didn't say he was, i am saying that they used the designs for further moments of goku. Thus meaning his not the 10 day wait and ONLY the 10 day wait which you make it out to be

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PerfectFreeza » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:30 am

M9 is based off Cell Games.
Piccolo isn't the 2nd strongest, Vegeta is.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Cardle grave » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:33 am

PerfectFreeza wrote:M9 is based off Cell Games.
Piccolo isn't the 2nd strongest, Vegeta is.
I don't understand you.Type better.
And so was movie 8 and look what happen to that so Sorry no, Your logic somehow has gohan the weakest in movie 8. Then Piccolo is the 2nd strongest since he can lay a hit and the other can not.

go and do your best to counter an argument that you made up
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PerfectFreeza » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:34 am

That because he is the weakest.Piccolo is the 3rd/2nd weakest.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Cardle grave » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:36 am

PerfectFreeza wrote:That because he is the weakest.Piccolo is the 3rd/2nd weakest.
What argument?
Sorry piccolo can lay a hit on Bojack, While Trunks, Vegeta and the other except gohan cant.

Thus making Piccolo the 2nd strongest. Whats the problem, If Movie 8 can be inconsistent the so can movie 9

not my logic man

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PerfectFreeza » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:43 am

Bojack didn't care about Piccolo, you can see that by his expression and the way he fought Piccolo, kneeing him carelessly and all.
He actually bothered with Vegeta and Trunks, countering ki blasts and creating a barrier to block the blasts and all.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Cardle grave » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:53 am

PerfectFreeza wrote:Bojack didn't care about Piccolo, you can see that by his expression and the way he fought Piccolo, kneeing him carelessly and all.
He actually bothered with Vegeta and Trunks, countering ki blasts and creating a barrier to block the blasts and all.
He also smiled when he hit vegeta and trunks. So i can say he wasn't bothered against them either.

I find this funny, so positive to movie 9 but so negative to movie 8. And this is showing it very cleary

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PerfectFreeza » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:02 am

He smiled, but he didn't have the ''Giving no *****'' look on his face, when they arrived.
There is no bias, that's how they were presented.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Cardle grave » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:04 am

PerfectFreeza wrote:He smiled, but he didn't have the ''Giving no *****'' look on his face, when they arrived.
There is no bias, that's how they were presented.
Yeah they where presented as piccolo being the second strongest

like i said man, Your logic not mine and i am done. You have some issues with broly being on this and that and clearly i just showed that

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PerfectFreeza » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:17 am

No, he was presented as the weakest of the non-humans.
I don't have any issues with anybody.Clearly, I am not the only one.Some people here use the same logic and have Broly on FPSSJ Goku's level or even lower.
When the sketches state Vegeta was Second Grade and Trunks's muscles also show the same form, then there is something wrong on your side.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mjb1985 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:20 pm

Yea I always took that as Bojack being the only one capable of handling Piccolo, Trunks and Vegeta. I mean why else wouldn't the henchmen try to take them one on one?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PerfectFreeza » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:24 pm

The henchmen took out Gohan, who was superior to the 3, together without the use of the paralyzation.
It's established, that unless the weaker opponents are really close to the 1 stronger one, teaming up will do no good.
The henchmen on their own seemed to be around Cell Jrs.'s level, judging by that little clash Trunks had with Zangya.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:33 pm

They don't have to be too close. Cell Junior level seems like a good place for them. Except Kogu, he's fodder for Piccolo, Trunks, and everyone else. Maybe Semi-Cell level at best.

Off topic, but I liked that Bojack's crew actively aided him in combat against strong characters (i.e. SS Gohan) and were effective with their team work, rather than being useless jobbers like most henchmen.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Cardle grave » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:02 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:They don't have to be too close. Cell Junior level seems like a good place for them. Except Kogu, he's fodder for Piccolo, Trunks, and everyone else. Maybe Semi-Cell level at best.

Off topic, but I liked that Bojack's crew actively aided him in combat against strong characters (i.e. SS Gohan) and were effective with their team work, rather than being useless jobbers like most henchmen.
I like that logic, Id say there semi perfect cell tier maybe USSJ trunks tier. Maybe a bit lower

what do you reckon ?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mjb1985 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:13 pm

I don't know. Piccolo, Trunks and Vegeta all bypass the henchmen and go straight for Bojack.

The henchmen do nothing to stand in the way of their leader.

The henchmen only appear strong when teaming up together or while using those paralyzing things.

I think the henchmen are severely overrated based on their team up against Gohan.

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