Did Gohan even lose power?

[PerfectFreeza]

How would slacking off weaken his rage?
Vegeta: “Hmph…Even so, he’s not an opponent [he? we?] can’t win against. [Gohan]’s so pathetic…So much so that he was stronger as a brat…”
Goku: “He really did slack off!”
Vegeta is talking about Gohan in general as a kid.Stronger=/=skilled.
Really, the only thing saying Gohan didn't lose power is the Daizenshuu.Since Manga>Daizenshuu, then Gohan did lose power.

[Cardle grave]

How would slacking off weaken his rage?

because he transformed into SSj2 form Rage and thus making him a more fiercer foe. While Adult gohan wasn't doing so. hence why he said "he was a lot stronger when he KILLED cell" and also like i said. he would know straight away if he got weaker without fighting. Like the Z fighters and cell knowing that gohan is stronger then his dad. But that wasn't the case now was it.

Vegeta: “Hmph…Even so, he’s not an opponent [he? we?] can’t win against. [Gohan]’s so pathetic…So much so that he was stronger as a brat…”Goku: “He really did slack off!”Vegeta is talking about Gohan in general as a kid.Stronger=/=skilled.

and What skills are this like really what skills did he show, last time i watched he showed Nothing as he got beat up and toyed with so i doubt his talking about them skills and he since the daizenshuu and manga show gohan wasn't SSJ against Dabura. then what skills was this. let me remind you that skills and techniques can make up for power. This was practically explain and shown when gohan stepped in the fight cell. So gohan could of been stronger because he was properly more skilled

Like dabura, Why was he ahead of gohan. Obviously because he was skilled

Really, the only thing saying Gohan didn't lose power is the Daizenshuu.Since Manga>Daizenshuu, then Gohan did lose power.

Dazienshuu is the official word, its not in the book for you to ignore and its not like your proving anyone wrong anyways

its the skills that gohan had as a child that made him stronger not his power in general.

[PerfectFreeza]

He said he was stronger as a brat, not when he killed Cell.
While skills do matter in a close fight, they have nothing to do with power.
If Vegeta was talking about skills, then he would have said ''Gohan was a lot better as a brat'', not ''stronger''.
Manga is made by Toriyama himself, whereas the Daizenshuu isn't made by him.The Daizenshuu said Goten=Gohan.
Does that make it a fact, even when it's clearly not true in the manga?
Skills don't make anybody stronger, otherwise Tenshinhan, Kuririn and Master Roshi would be fighting along with the Saiyans on equal grounds.Piccolo would also be able to fight Cell.

[Cardle grave]

Skills don't make anybody stronger, otherwise Tenshinhan, Kuririn and Master Roshi would be fighting along with the Saiyans on equal grounds.Piccolo would also be able to fight Cell.

Wow are you like that 1 sided lol, Obviously you got to be on the same realm of power for skills to take play. not leagues below

Forget about all of that was said above and counter this

When your more skills then you are classified as a stronger guy like why was dabura "stronger then he fought" because of magic which is a technique, Before he was classified to be cell levels but when seeing the magic. he classified him stronger. with the spit and swords.

Skills makes up for power and does classify you stronger. That properly the same reason why Gohan is above Goten. its proven that the Z fighters can sense and know how strong you are before you fight hence why they knew gohan power and dabura power. Buts it when they fight they said otherwise.

And Angry is what made gohan into a freak fighter, Every time he got angry he done amazing stuff but against Dabura he isn't

So try again

[PerfectFreeza]

No, Dabura was stronger, because Gohan was weaker and more skilled, plus had magic.
After Gohan stepped out of the rubble rather unharmed, Cell realized Gohan was stronger.Nothing about skills, but just Cell underrating Gohan, plus Gohan didn't have the drive, that Goku had.
He wasn't specific.He said Gohan was better as a kid against Kibito, then said he was stronger as brat against Dabra.
No, Goten and Gohan are nowhere being equals.Perhaps potential wise, but not power wise.
While the skills do seperate them even further, it's quite clear Goten isn't anywhere near equal to Gohan.
''When your more skills then you are classified as a stronger guy like why was dabura "stronger then he fought" because of magic which is a technique, Before he was classified to be cell levels but when seeing the magic. he classified him stronger''
Magic is power.Babidi is called a powerful wizard, no?Yet his battle power is low.
Skills don't make up for power, they just allow the weaker fighter to fight more evenly with their enemy.
Anger powers Gohan up, but Vegeta says he slacked off.

[Cardle grave]

No, Dabura was stronger, because Gohan was weaker and more skilled, plus had magic.
After Gohan stepped out of the rubble rather unharmed, Cell realized Gohan was stronger.Nothing about skills, but just Cell underrating Gohan, plus Gohan didn't have the drive, that Goku had.
He wasn't specific.He said Gohan was better as a kid against Kibito, then said he was stronger as brat against Dabra.
No, Goten and Gohan are nowhere being equals.Perhaps potential wise, but not power wise.
While the skills do seperate them even further, it's quite clear Goten isn't anywhere near equal to Gohan.
''When your more skills then you are classified as a stronger guy like why was dabura "stronger then he fought" because of magic which is a technique, Before he was classified to be cell levels but when seeing the magic. he classified him stronger''
Magic is power.Babidi is called a powerful wizard, no?Yet his battle power is low.
Skills don't make up for power, they just allow the weaker fighter to fight more evenly with their enemy.
Anger powers Gohan up, but Vegeta says he slacked off.

You know what man you go ahead and twist every single fact into what you want to here. I am done with you and i hate to say things like that

[PerfectFreeza]

So differed interpretation is twisting facts?
You are acting, like your opinion is a fact, when it's not.
It's clear to me, that you are trying to say Gohan didn't lose power, so you could be biased about Broly even more.

[Son_Gohan]

Although Vegeta criticizes the state of Gohan's physical appearance prior to seeing him transform or fight in battle. If the implication wasn't directed towards his present strength then I don't see why else it would matter for him to comment on that.

Like I said before, Vegeta said that SS2 Gohan wasn't as strong as he was in the Cell Games because he wasn't angry. Vegeta has only seen Raged SS2 Gohan in the past, and in the Tenkaichi Budokai, Gohan wasn't angry.

So you're saying that Vegeta was referring to anger when he points to Gohan's body looking rusty, at his home in Capsule Corp.?

Granted, it's interesting that the entry would bring up Gohan not gaining power from anger, as it's an issue he only struggles with after leaving the tournament. I don't know if I'd say the intent is clear enough to establish the books contradicting each other based on what is actually written on the matter.

Gohan got angry in the Budokai, and he was also angry when he was trying to prevent Boo's revival. The problem is, however, that he didn't gain any power from his anger.

I'm aware of the times he gets angry, I'm just pointing out that the book's source of reference in that entry couldn't be confined to volume 37 when there hadn't been an issue established with his anger yet.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So you're saying that Vegeta was referring to anger when he points to Gohan's body looking rusty, at his home in Capsule Corp.?

When did I ever talked about that instance? I was talking about Vegeta's comment for SS2 Gohan in the Budokai.

[Son_Gohan]

So you're saying that Vegeta was referring to anger when he points to Gohan's body looking rusty, at his home in Capsule Corp.?

When did I ever talked about that instance? I was talking about Vegeta's comment for SS2 Gohan in the Budokai.

On the first page. But if you don't want to address it that's fine.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I was talking in general. Vegeta's conclusion about Gohan's body having getting rusty was because he knew Gohan wasn't training. There is no way he could tell from his power, since Gohan was suppressed in base.
When he commented SS2 Gohan's power in the Budokai, he compared Non-Raged SS2 Gohan (Boo arc) with Raged SS2 Gohan (Cell arc), since he hasn't seen Gohan at any other state or point. Of course Gohan would be weaker, since he didn't train to control his rage power.
Finally, when he commented Gohan being stronger as a child during his fight with Dabra, he is saying that Gohan is weaker because of his rusty skills, like Goku says that Dabra is stronger because of his magical skills. Notice that Vegeta is complaining about Gohan because he wasn't finishing Dabra quickly, not because he wasn't strong enough to do so.

[PerfectFreeza]

They never reffer to skills as power though.Magic differes from skills.
Babidi: “That’s how it is, Kaioshin…I won’t be done in like my papa was. My magic power is definitely greater than his, and I’ve got Dabra with me too…”
So when Goku reffered to Dabra being stronger because of magic, it's because magic is power, whereas skills aren't.
Vegeta is complaining about Gohan's power.
Vegeta: “Hmph…Even so, he’s not an opponent [he? we?] can’t win against. [Gohan]’s so pathetic…So much so that he was stronger as a brat…”
On a side note:Your 'link to ''Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods in HD with English subs'' in your signature, almost knocked the breath out of me yesterday.

[hleV]

Power is power. Magic power is magic power. It would be idiotic to refer to skills as "skill power", but it's quite fine to refer to magic as magic power.

[Son_Gohan]

I was talking in general. Vegeta's conclusion about Gohan's body having getting rusty was because he knew Gohan wasn't training. There is no way he could tell from his power, since Gohan was suppressed in base.
When he commented SS2 Gohan's power in the Budokai, he compared Non-Raged SS2 Gohan (Boo arc) with Raged SS2 Gohan (Cell arc), since he hasn't seen Gohan at any other state or point. Of course Gohan would be weaker, since he didn't train to control his rage power.
Finally, when he commented Gohan being stronger as a child during his fight with Dabra, he is saying that Gohan is weaker because of his rusty skills, like Goku says that Dabra is stronger because of his magical skills. Notice that Vegeta is complaining about Gohan because he wasn't finishing Dabra quickly, not because he wasn't strong enough to do so.

Well I wouldn't think Vegeta spies on Gohan to know he hasn't been training, it's more likely to be the other way around; he concluded that Gohan wasn't training based on how his body looked. Vegeta also proposes that he's more powerful than Gohan now just going off the fact he hadn't been training, and since Gohan did not reveal his transformation to him yet, rage wouldn't be factored in at that time.

Chapter: 426 (DBZ 232), P4.2-3
Vegeta: “At that time there was a large gap between our powers…But what about now? While you’ve been enjoying peace, I’ve continued to train.”

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Vegeta also proposes that he's more powerful than Gohan now just going off the fact he hadn't been training, and since Gohan did not reveal his transformation to him yet, rage wouldn't be factored in at that time.

Vegeta wondered if he was stronger now, since it was very likely for Vegeta to have surpassed Gohan because Vegeta trained his ass for 7 years, while Gohan was doing his homework. Vegeta confirmed that he had surpassed Non-Raged SS2 Gohan when he saw him in the Budokai, but he still wasn't sure if he had surpassed Raged SS2 Gohan. He surpassed him only when Babidi powered-up him, which made him go to SS2 Goku's level, which was beyond Gohan's.

[Hugo Boss]

I don't think any DBZ character lose power just by not training. If they don't continue to train, they only get rusty, not exactly weaker. The whole slacking-off-Gohan-thing is because he couldn't control his ki properly and use his true power like he did against Cell. Vegeta said both himself and Goku got stronger than him, but also couldn't tell what would happen if Gohan gets mad. Listening to Goku's advice, Gohan got a little angry and fired the kamehameha against Boo's Egg, probably using a larger portion of his power than he used against Dabra. He even said that he might have a chance against Newborn Boo only if he used full power. We can assume Pre Majin Vegeta SSJ2, Kid Gohan SSJ2/Full Power Adult Gohan SSJ2 and Newborn Fat Boo are on the same league of strenght.

[Cardle grave]

So differed interpretation is twisting facts?
You are acting, like your opinion is a fact, when it's not.
It's clear to me, that you are trying to say Gohan didn't lose power, so you could be biased about Broly even more.

My opinion is not a fact, But gohan=SSj2 kid gohan is as its in the daizenshuu. And what does m10 gohan got to do with any of this. he said he was stronger but i don't want to bring a Broly convo into this conversation.

there is a reason why they call it guidebooks, for you to get the correct info otherwise there is no point in buying them or releasing them

[PerfectFreeza]

Daizenshuu says SSJ2 Adult Gohan is weaker than SSJ2 Kid Gohan though.
Yes, they are there to guide you through the story, but there is more than 1 reason for their release.

[Cardle grave]

Daizenshuu says SSJ2 Adult Gohan is weaker than SSJ2 Kid Gohan though.
Yes, they are there to guide you through the story, but there is more than 1 reason for their release.

Gohan's 'Growing up' Guide wrote:
HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT
First Appears: Vol. 36-42
Many years after the battle with Cell, Gohan had become a high school student. Due to either Chi Chi's influence or him neglecting to train, his strength hadn't changed since he was a boy.

HIGH SCHOOL ERA SUPER SAIYAN 2
First Appears: Vol. 37
During the Tenkaichi Budoukai he transforms at Kibito's request. Because he couldn't gain power from anger and because he hadn't been training, he doesn't have the same battle power as when he defeated Cell.

It says he couldn't gain power from his rage. But also says gohan=kid gohan

[PerfectFreeza]

HIGH SCHOOL ERA SUPER SAIYAN 2
First Appears: Vol. 37
During the Tenkaichi Budoukai he transforms at Kibito's request. Because he couldn't gain power from anger and because he hadn't been training, he doesn't have the same battle power as when he defeated Cell.

It says both the lack of rage and training lowered his power.
Yes, it says Adult Gohan is equals with Kid Gohan, but then it contradicts itself right in the statement you and I mentioned.