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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:29 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote: Vegetto's shield merely prevented him from being assimilated. He was still shrunk and taken into Buu's body so clearly it won't prevent magic. If Vegetto's barrier technique can't prevent him from being shrunk, I don't see how anyone can prevent themselves from being sent to another dimension.
And Buu's absorption isn't magic? Oh wait, it most likely is, just like the miniaturization is most likely magic? And the shield prevented it? Hmm...

By the way, I had already mentioned all of this in my previous post. I don't think you are very logical in your arguments, honestly. You just pretty much ignored most of what I said, and are even being incoherent in your argument since one of the actions that the shield prevented is also most likely magic.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Marco Polo » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:48 pm

Are we seriously discussing the logic of MAGIC in a series that had such infamous plotlines as the Cell/Trunks TIMELINES and the many transformations of BUU? :|
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Saiga » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:42 pm

If Fusion isn't classified as magic (at least, not the Fusion dance), I don't think we can say what is and isn't magic.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Rocketman » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:52 pm

As the Number 1 Vegetto fan here, this is acceptable.
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Post by Scarz » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:23 pm

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Get off the stage Vegetto! There's a more interesting fight happening!
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:28 pm

interesting? Dude Cold is gonna knock Bardock into next year.
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Post by hleV » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:32 pm

So Bardock didn't foresee that...
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Post by DNA » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:41 pm

hleV wrote:So Bardock didn't foresee that...
Useless ass psychic powers.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:06 pm

Unless that punch killed Bardock instantly, I'm calling bullshit.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:13 pm

If King Cold in his final form is around #16 in terms of power then he would able to kill Bardock in one punch. The chances are that the fight between the two most likely started when Vegito show up.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by DNA » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:16 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:If King Cold in his final form is around #16 in terms of power then he would able to kill Bardock in one punch. The chances are that the fight between the two most likely started when Vegito show up.
He would be able to kill a Super Saiyan who most likely has been improving himself for decades. Yes that makes perfect sense.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:30 pm

DNA wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:If King Cold in his final form is around #16 in terms of power then he would able to kill Bardock in one punch. The chances are that the fight between the two most likely started when Vegito show up.
He would be able to kill a Super Saiyan who most likely has been improving himself for decades. Yes that makes perfect sense.
The DBM novelization already established that this Bardock is only 200 times as strong as the other Bardock, which IMO is still wank. This Bardock also has no powerful training partners or ROSAT. I doubt he even has a gravity training room. He also was getting beaten up by Ozaru Raditz for most of the fight, and he's most definitely weaker than Freeza.

Yes, it would be pure concentrated bullshit if he was around Android 16, which he would have to be to survive a punch from the Salagir-wanked King Cold.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:48 pm

DNA wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:If King Cold in his final form is around #16 in terms of power then he would able to kill Bardock in one punch. The chances are that the fight between the two most likely started when Vegito show up.
He would be able to kill a Super Saiyan who most likely has been improving himself for decades. Yes that makes perfect sense.
Bardock had a BP of around 10,000. Even after decades of basic training he shouldn't be able to beat Freeza let alone a King Cold around C-16's level. At most I would put him at a BP of 1,000,000 in base. Also, if I recall, SSJ Bardock had trouble with an Oozaru Raditz.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:05 pm

He did. Raditz was kicking his ass.

And according to Salagir, he's 200 times as strong as the other Bardock, and Salagir says that he jever changes the powers if AU characters unless he specifically mentions it. So this Bardock is 2,000,000 in base.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by DNA » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:10 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
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Hellspawn28 wrote:If King Cold in his final form is around #16 in terms of power then he would able to kill Bardock in one punch. The chances are that the fight between the two most likely started when Vegito show up.
He would be able to kill a Super Saiyan who most likely has been improving himself for decades. Yes that makes perfect sense.
Bardock had a BP of around 10,000. Even after decades of basic training he shouldn't be able to beat Freeza let alone a King Cold around C-16's level. At most I would put him at a BP of 1,000,000 in base. Also, if I recall, SSJ Bardock had trouble with an Oozaru Raditz.
But it's okay for us to believe the low-level trash Kakarotto was able to defeat Freeza. Sure, that makes sense.

According to Salagir then, he's 200x stronger, which means his base is 2 million. Super Saiyan is 100x that, right? So he's 200 million. Freeza is only at 5 million with 100% power, which means Bardock can easily flick his finger and kill him. Am I to believe King Cold in his final form to be THAT much stronger than Freeza? Maybe, but don't ask me to believe he easily tops 200 million, that's simply ridiculous.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:12 pm

DNA wrote: But it's okay for us to believe the low-level trash Kakarotto was able to defeat Freeza. Sure, that makes sense.

According to Salagir then, he's 200x stronger, which means his base is 2 million. Super Saiyan is 100x that, right? So he's 200 million. Freeza is only at 5 million with 100% power, which means Bardock can easily flick his finger and kill him. Am I to believe King Cold in his final form to be THAT much stronger than Freeza? Maybe, but don't ask me to believe he easily tops 200 million, that's simply ridiculous.
SSJ is 50x base, not 100x. Bardock would only be 100 million, weaker than Freeza.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:16 pm

It's not x50 for Salagir. First time hearing the x100 for SS though.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:18 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It's not x50 for Salagir. First time hearing the x100 for SS though.
My mistake then. Sorry about that.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:46 pm

But it's okay for us to believe the low-level trash Kakarotto was able to defeat Freeza. Sure, that makes sense.

According to Salagir then, he's 200x stronger, which means his base is 2 million. Super Saiyan is 100x that, right? So he's 200 million. Freeza is only at 5 million with 100% power, which means Bardock can easily flick his finger and kill him. Am I to believe King Cold in his final form to be THAT much stronger than Freeza? Maybe, but don't ask me to believe he easily tops 200 million, that's simply ridiculous.
Just about everything in this post is wrong.

Goku only beat him because of one haxxed zenkai and a whole bunch of god training.

Super Saiyan is x50, not x100. Even ignoring the SEG, x100 wouldn't make any mathematical sense.

Freeza is at 120,000,000 at max power. I have no idea where 5 million came from.

King Cold isn't stronger than Freeza at all, Salagir just wanked him.

Is this Raditz also stronger than Freeza?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by DNA » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:51 pm

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