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Post by coola » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:13 pm

Unless XII is controling him, we have another ooc situation.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:19 pm

Come on Zen Buu, kick his ass!

Also, Bardock is still alive. I call bullshit.

EDIT: I just now noticed that Vegetto is stomping on Cold and Bardock in that last panel. Huh.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:24 pm

It would be funny if Vegito accidentally killed Cold and Bardock :lol: .
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Post by TonyTheTiger » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:37 pm

Villain Vegetto is worst Vegetto.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:48 pm

It kinda-sorta-not really makes a shred of sense. Gotenks is, after all, apparently a fusion of the worst personality traits of Goten and Trunks (their arrogance, boastfulness, smugness, and idiocy), so the same should apply to Vegetto. And Vegeta is pretty damn evil as is, so combining those traits with Goku's worst traits (blood lust, selfishness, et cetera) would make an Evil Vegetto. We never really saw whether or not this would be OOC, since Vegetto only existed for a few minutes and spent his entire existence toying with Buuhan.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by AquaTeamV3 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:06 pm

I don't consider Vegito to be a true villain, he just has an enormous ego. We saw a glimpse of it during the first intermission and now it's in full force.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:14 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Goku went from being weaker than Android Arc Vegeta, to on par with suppressed Perfect Cell in less than a year just by mastering the basic SSJ form and sparring with his son. He got way stronger without using other forms. Any implication there was in the beginning was rendered moot when Goku and Gohan emerged stronger than SSJ Grades 2 and 3 Vegeta and Trunks while staying in the regular SSJ form.
It is stated in SEG that Goku's & Gohan's huge gains came mainly from mastering Super Saiyan, not from sparring.
coola wrote:Unless XII is controling him, we have another ooc situation.
I disagree. Vegetto still has Vegeta in him, and that's exactly how I would expect an all powerful Vegeta to react in a situation like this.
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Post by Rocketman » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:18 pm

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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:21 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:EDIT: I just now noticed that Vegetto is stomping on Cold and Bardock in that last panel. Huh.
I didn't even notice that.

Still we have wah wah wah from Vegetto who is such a hypocrite for telling Bra to control her anger when he gets angered this easily (Oh my Kami God I just defended Bra :shock:).
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:28 pm

Kaboom wrote:Yeah. Give Vegeta or Goku from the Androids arc another year or so of training, and they could more than likely match or beat No.16. If this version of Bardock's been a Super Saiyan for a few decades or something at this point, then it's more than believable enough for him to be that strong, even with DBM's chopped-up continuity and in-universe details.
You have to remember though, Goku trained with Kaio Sama, received a ton of Zenkai's on his trip to and on Namek, and sparred with Piccolo for 3 years straight yet still couldn't match C-17 and C-18. I have a hard time believing Bardock could match up to C-16s level when he has been getting stronger alone for decades. Basic training methods can only get you so far. Tenshinhan is the shining example of this. We also see earlier that he has trouble with an Oozaru Raditz:
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:30 pm

Wasn't it also implied that Oozaru Nappa was weaker than Freeza?

Anyway, yeah, Bardock being this strong is bullshit.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:30 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:Still we have wah wah wah from Vegetto who is such a hypocrite for telling Bra to control her anger when he gets angered this easily (Oh my Kami God I just defended Bra :shock:).
Easily? Vegetto believed that he would win the tournament because he really was the strongest guy there, and suddenly, a fucking wizard beats him by sending him into a dimension were time runs faster... Not that cool.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:31 pm

Zen Buu would've beaten Vegetto anyway, due to the SS3 limit.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:39 pm

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dbzfan7 wrote:Still we have wah wah wah from Vegetto who is such a hypocrite for telling Bra to control her anger when he gets angered this easily (Oh my Kami God I just defended Bra :shock:).
Easily? Vegetto believed that he would win the tournament because he really was the strongest guy there, and suddenly, a fucking wizard beats him by sending him into a dimension were time runs faster... Not that cool.
He's angry about people not listening to him instead of going straight to the vargas to solve his problem.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:46 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:He's angry about people not listening to him instead of going straight to the vargas to solve his problem.
Of course he is angry because no one is listening to him. He just lost. Suddenly, he lost. People don't think clearly when they are so angry & shocked.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:53 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:He's angry about people not listening to him instead of going straight to the vargas to solve his problem.
Of course he is angry because no one is listening to him. He just lost. Suddenly, he lost. People don't think clearly when they are so angry & shocked.
He is angry at people who have nothing to do with match.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:55 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:He is angry at people who have nothing to do with match.
No, he wants an explanation about what the hell is going on, but he is ignored.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:56 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:He is angry at people who have nothing to do with match.
No, he wants an explanation about what the hell is going on, but he is ignored.
Yes because Bardock and Cold totally have the answers. They are in the middle of a fight.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:03 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Goku went from being weaker than Android Arc Vegeta, to on par with suppressed Perfect Cell in less than a year just by mastering the basic SSJ form and sparring with his son. He got way stronger without using other forms. Any implication there was in the beginning was rendered moot when Goku and Gohan emerged stronger than SSJ Grades 2 and 3 Vegeta and Trunks while staying in the regular SSJ form.
It is stated in SEG that Goku's & Gohan's huge gains came mainly from mastering Super Saiyan, not from sparring.
That's what I said. The point is, they got stronger without having to "break the SSJ barrier." They didn't have to use the higher level forms to make huge gains.
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:12 pm

I don't see how it's bullshit that Bardock is still alive (assuming he is, after Vegetto's little temper tantrum), given that we have Mr. Satan surviving being slapped by Cell, back over in the series proper...

I mean, yes, that was a gag moment, but that's how I took Cold hitting Bardock anyway.

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