Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Marco Polo]

EDIT: I just now noticed that Vegetto is stomping on Cold and Bardock in that last panel. Huh.

I didn't even notice that.

Same here. The layout of the last panel is confusing (and there's no realistic way for Vegetto to put Cold and Bardock in such positions with a simple jump).

[Kamiccolo9]

EDIT: I just now noticed that Vegetto is stomping on Cold and Bardock in that last panel. Huh.

I didn't even notice that.

Same here. The layout of the last panel is confusing (and there's no realistic way for Vegetto to put Cold and Bardock in such positions with a simple jump).

Vegetto is not bound by silly realistic physics. His power is maximum.

[miguelnuva1]

Goku went from being weaker than Android Arc Vegeta, to on par with suppressed Perfect Cell in less than a year just by mastering the basic SSJ form and sparring with his son. He got way stronger without using other forms. Any implication there was in the beginning was rendered moot when Goku and Gohan emerged stronger than SSJ Grades 2 and 3 Vegeta and Trunks while staying in the regular SSJ form.

It is stated in SEG that Goku's & Gohan's huge gains came mainly from mastering Super Saiyan, not from sparring.

That's what I said. The point is, they got stronger without having to "break the SSJ barrier." They didn't have to use the higher level forms to make huge gains.

Goku broke the barrier and MSSJ is breaking the barrier. Mssj sllows you to use all of your ssj ki with no strain ans stamina loss thus you have broken through your previous barriers.

[rereboy]

He is angry at people who have nothing to do with match.

No, he wants an explanation about what the hell is going on, but he is ignored.

Yes because Bardock and Cold totally have the answers. They are in the middle of a fight.

Unlike you, Vegetto still hasn't yet realized what happened. He doesn't understand that Bardock and Cold are in a legitimate fight and that his fight is already over.

[Dr. Machismo]

Does anyone else think the Gohan from Universe 7 (Gast Carolh's universe) should have been a competitor in the tournament instead of Universe 3's Bardock? It'd work very, IMO. He would have grown to be similar to the Gohan from Universe 12 (Future Trunks' universe) and around as powerful as Universe 16/18's Gohan, largely due to training with Gast Carcohl. He would have fought and beaten Raditz with ease in the first round, taking Universe 3's Bardock's place, and Universe 16/18's Videl would gawk over him, just like how Universe 16/18's Gohan gawked over Universe 9's Videl. Gast Carcohl should have been the one to see into the future, not Bardock.

In the current scene, Son Gohan would have already beaten King Cold to a pulp. Before he can continue, Vegerot shows up, and Gohan thinks "Does this have to do with Gast's prediction?" Vegerot demands an explanation, but Gohan is lost in thought. Enraged at being ignored, Vegerot strikes Gohan.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Gast Carcohl should have been the one to see into the future, not Bardock.

...HOW exactly would Gast do that?!

[Dr. Machismo]

Gast Carcohl should have been the one to see into the future, not Bardock.

...HOW exactly would Gast do that?!

Obviously, there would be a reason for it. I haven't exactly decided on what it would be, but it could have to do with merging with his entire race. Namekians have unique abilities anyway, so I don't see how this should be hard to picture. This would give Gast Carcohl's character more depth.

Bringing back Bardock was a really amateur decision on Salagir's part.

[rereboy]

Having a Namekian with the same exact power as movie-Bardock (just because) would be even more amateur and random.

[dbzfan7]

Unlike you, Vegetto still hasn't yet realized what happened. He doesn't understand that Bardock and Cold are in a legitimate fight and that his fight is already over.

So focusing on two people he doesn't know (He never met bardock or cold) over his own daughter makes sense. Why would he expect two people he doesn't know to listen to him. He can see their fighting. You would think after Bra calls out to him he would respond, but no he turns his attention to two people fighting.

@Random

Your gonna be pissed when Bardock and Cold most likely survive their face planting caused from SSJ Vegetto after years of training.

[Dr. Machismo]

Having a Namekian with the same exact power as movie-Bardock (just because) would be even more amateur and random.

Not at all. Just because it's coincidentally similar to Bardock's abilities doesn't make it an amateur decision. Namekians have unique abilities, so it wouldn't be hard to picture one having the ability to see into the future. I never said he would have the ability "just because"; he could have gotten it when he was created or sometime afterwards. An ability like seeing the future really fits a character like Gast Carcohl.

[dbzfan7]

Wait when was Gohan from U7 talked about?

[Dr. Machismo]

Wait when was Gohan from U7 talked about?

He appeared in the chapter explaining Universe 7. He was initially similar to Gohan from Universe 16/18, until Gast Carcohl appeared. After Gast Carcohl killed Frieza, Gohan offered to help out Gast Carcohl on whatever he was going to do. We don't know what happened to him after that, but I could picture him being dead.

[dbzfan7]

Wait when was Gohan from U7 talked about?

He appeared in the chapter explaining Universe 7. He was initially similar to Gohan from Universe 16/18, until Gast Carcohl appeared. After Gast Carcohl killed Freeza, Gohan offered to help out Gast Carcohl on whatever he was going to do. We don't know what happened to him after that, but I could picture him being dead.

Looking back we don't know anything that happened with Gohan.

[Dr. Machismo]

Wait when was Gohan from U7 talked about?

He appeared in the chapter explaining Universe 7. He was initially similar to Gohan from Universe 16/18, until Gast Carcohl appeared. After Gast Carcohl killed Freeza, Gohan offered to help out Gast Carcohl on whatever he was going to do. We don't know what happened to him after that, but I could picture him being dead.

Looking back we don't know anything that happened with Gohan.

OK, but I'm saying he should have grown to be similar to the Gohan from Universe 12 (Future Trunks' universe) and around as powerful as Universe 16/18's Gohan, largely due to training with Gast Carcohl. He would have fought in the tournament instead of Universe 3's Bardock.

Also, people, if you pay attention to the panel that shows Buu liquefied on page 419, you could see that he's not inside his body, but appears to be somewhere in the tournament.

[dbzfan7]

OK, but I'm saying he should have grown to be similar to the Gohan from Universe 12 (Future Trunks' universe) and around as powerful as Universe 16/18's Gohan, largely due to training with Gast Carcohl. He would have fought in the tournament instead of Universe 3's Bardock.

Also, people, if you pay attention to the panel that shows Buu liquefied on page 419, you could see that he's not inside his body, but appears to be somewhere in the tournament.

I don't think so as Gohan not only has his potential unlocked, but was sent way way beyond as stated by the Elder Kaioshin. Gast could probably take Gohan to his limits.

[Dr. Machismo]

OK, but I'm saying he should have grown to be similar to the Gohan from Universe 12 (Future Trunks' universe) and around as powerful as Universe 16/18's Gohan, largely due to training with Gast Carcohl. He would have fought in the tournament instead of Universe 3's Bardock.

Also, people, if you pay attention to the panel that shows Buu liquefied on page 419, you could see that he's not inside his body, but appears to be somewhere in the tournament.

I don't think so as Gohan not only has his potential unlocked, but was sent way way beyond as stated by the Elder Kaioshin. Gast could probably take Gohan to his limits.

That doesn't mean Gast Carcohl couldn't have trained Gohan to be as strong as Universe 16/18's Gohan. And Gast Carcohl could have powers similar to the Old Supreme Kai.

[dbzfan7]

OK, but I'm saying he should have grown to be similar to the Gohan from Universe 12 (Future Trunks' universe) and around as powerful as Universe 16/18's Gohan, largely due to training with Gast Carcohl. He would have fought in the tournament instead of Universe 3's Bardock.

Also, people, if you pay attention to the panel that shows Buu liquefied on page 419, you could see that he's not inside his body, but appears to be somewhere in the tournament.

I don't think so as Gohan not only has his potential unlocked, but was sent way way beyond as stated by the Elder Kaioshin. Gast could probably take Gohan to his limits.

That doesn't mean Gast Carcohl couldn't have trained Gohan to be as strong as Universe 16/18's Gohan. And Gast Carcohl could have powers similar to the Old Supreme Kai.

We are talking way beyond the limits Gohan could ever achieve. We are talking way stronger then Gohan if he ever achieved SSJ3. No way could Gast get Gohan higher then that.

[Dr. Machismo]

We are talking way beyond the limits Gohan could ever achieve. We are talking way stronger then Gohan if he ever achieved SSJ3. No way could Gast get Gohan higher then that.

Yeah, that was never said. All Old Kai did was take Gohan past his natural limits. That doesn't mean Gohan couldn't have become any stronger or he couldn't have became that strong through training.

And Universe 7 Gohan's could have still gotten a powerup similar to Old Kai's powerup.

[dbzfan7]

We are talking way beyond the limits Gohan could ever achieve. We are talking way stronger then Gohan if he ever achieved SSJ3. No way could Gast get Gohan higher then that.

Yeah, that was never said. All Old Kai did was take Gohan past his natural limits. That doesn't mean Gohan couldn't have become any stronger or he couldn't have became that strong through training.

And Universe 7 Gohan's could have still gotten a powerup similar to Old Kai's powerup.

Chapter: 479 (DBZ 285), P10.1-5
Context: Elder Kaioshin explains his ‘ability’
Elder Kaioshin: “With my psychic powers, I can take the hidden power which anyone has, no matter how amazing a master they may be, and draw it wa~~ay, wa~~ay out above their limits. Ehehehehe…Have you ever heard of an ability like that?”
Kaioshin and Kibito: “Oooh!”
Goku: “Wh-what?...Ain’t that the kind of ability you hear about fairly often?”
Elder Kaioshin: “Wh-what are you talking about…?! Above their limits! Above! There de~~efinitely isn’t anyone else that incredible! [ ] Hey, you over there, you were the one who pulled the sword out, right? Come over here a little. If someone could pull that sword out and swing it around, then once I get through with them they’ll de~~efinitely be able to become the best in the universe.”

I doubt Gast could do that.

[goku the krump dancer]

Vegetto is stomping on his fathers head lol... that must be the Vegeta side.