I've been arguing with people over the outcome of that fight. I Believe Gohan would win.
All Broly did in his previous movie was smack the Z fighters around the map. Meanwhile on Gohan's side, he 1-hit 7 Cell jr (who were equal or if not stronger than Cell saga Vegeta) without sweat. I don't think Broly got that much zenkai in movie 10, he didn't seem much stronger at all. It is true that Broly kicked SSJ2 Gohan's butt in that movie, but that Gohan was way weaker since he hasn't trained in 7 years.
This is my opinion, what do you guys think?
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?
Gohan would loose IMO. During his fight with Broli in M10, Gohan never considered getting angry as an option to defeat him. His only hope was sending him to the lava.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?
This is actually Super Saiyan 2 Kid Gohan, right?
If so, I think he'd pummel Broly.
If so, I think he'd pummel Broly.
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?
This is better suited to the versus thread.
Anyway, Broly had trouble with a Gohan called "pathetic" by Vegeta, who was implied to be weaker than Cell Games Gohan. Broly did nothing to impress me here, I don't think he's all that strong at all. SS2 Goku also beat him in Movie 11, and he wasn't that much stronger than Cell Games Gohan.
That said, Gohan is one of the most unskilled fighters in the series, and I don't think he has a large enough power advantage on Broly to swat him like a bug. So I think he finds a way to lose.
Super Perfect Cell or Vegeta would wreck Broly's shit, though.
Anyway, Broly had trouble with a Gohan called "pathetic" by Vegeta, who was implied to be weaker than Cell Games Gohan. Broly did nothing to impress me here, I don't think he's all that strong at all. SS2 Goku also beat him in Movie 11, and he wasn't that much stronger than Cell Games Gohan.
That said, Gohan is one of the most unskilled fighters in the series, and I don't think he has a large enough power advantage on Broly to swat him like a bug. So I think he finds a way to lose.
Super Perfect Cell or Vegeta would wreck Broly's shit, though.
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The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?
Gohan would win. Broly had trouble keeping a weaker Gohan down so I can only imagine what Gohan at full power could do.
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?
With Paikuhan's help.RandomGuy96 wrote:SS2 Goku also beat him in Movie 11
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?
Ah, right. This beast one-shotted Super Perfect Cell, so I imagine he squashed Broly like a bug while Goku sat there and watched.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:With Paikuhan's help.RandomGuy96 wrote:SS2 Goku also beat him in Movie 11
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?
Paikuhan probably didn't even do anything. He is nowhere near SSJ2 Goku so I don't see how he would be much help.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:With Paikuhan's help.RandomGuy96 wrote:SS2 Goku also beat him in Movie 11
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?
Or, maybe there was a reason that both Goku & Paikuhan were sent to Broli.RandomGuy96 wrote:Ah, right. This beast one-shotted Super Perfect Cell, so I imagine he squashed Broly like a bug while Goku sat there and watched.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:With Paikuhan's help.RandomGuy96 wrote:SS2 Goku also beat him in Movie 11
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?
Well I don't think it's ever mentioned in the movie that Gohan stopped training, and he even appeared to be in a rage when he transforms. So I can't see the outcome being any different.
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?
The movie takes place in the Boo arc time-frame, so this Gohan is the one from Boo arc.Son_Gohan wrote:Well I don't think it's ever mentioned in the movie that Gohan stopped training
He was also angry when trying to destroy Boo's Ball, but the problem was that he couldn't get stronger through his rage. Same here, I guess.Son_Gohan wrote:he even appeared to be in a rage when he transforms.
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I feel like we've been here before. Have we been here before?
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?
Or there isn't. Take your pick. Paikuhan could just solo Broly with his burning shoot technique most likely.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Or, maybe there was a reason that both Goku & Paikuhan were sent to Broli.
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?
Judging by the producer's statement about Broly being set-up as the strongest Saiyan in the movies and the fact, that Movie 10 was released after SSJ2 Kid Gohan appeared even in the anime, I would say it's safe to say Broly has this, power-wise.
Gohan can probably use his small size to dodge Broly a lot and perhaps use his better skills and most importantly, rage boosts, to close and surpass their gap.
So I would say the fight could go either way.
EDIT:Pikkon's Burning Shoot can't be that strong, since the Thunder Flash is stated to be his secret, ultimate weapon in the Daizenshuu 7.
Gohan can probably use his small size to dodge Broly a lot and perhaps use his better skills and most importantly, rage boosts, to close and surpass their gap.
So I would say the fight could go either way.
EDIT:Pikkon's Burning Shoot can't be that strong, since the Thunder Flash is stated to be his secret, ultimate weapon in the Daizenshuu 7.
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?
Which is stupid and most likely wrong, as the Burning Shot was stated to be like the kaio-ken while the Thunder Flash failed to one hit kill someone way weaker than him.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?
Toriyama has stated that the movies are of a different dimension from the original story, so a lot of what takes place isn't entirely applicable to it. I don't remember the Tenkaichi Budokai being mentioned either, yet Gohan is shown with his training gi on.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The movie takes place in the Boo arc time-frame, so this Gohan is the one from Boo arc.Son_Gohan wrote:Well I don't think it's ever mentioned in the movie that Gohan stopped training
The movie was produced before that scene occurred in the manga and before it was established he had an issue with his rage-boost.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:He was also angry when trying to destroy Boo's Ball, but the problem was that he couldn't get stronger through his rage. Same here, I guess.Son_Gohan wrote:he even appeared to be in a rage when he transforms.
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?
Goku was immortal during that fight. Stupid filler rules, I know, but that's how they did that arc.RandomGuy96 wrote:Which is stupid and most likely wrong, as the Burning Shot was stated to be like the kaio-ken while the Thunder Flash failed to one hit kill someone way weaker than him.
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?
His Burning Shoot is basically the west Kai equivalent of Kaioken IMO. Broly doesn't start out strongest, his Omega Blaster is what makes him a threat IMO.PerfectFreeza wrote:Judging by the producer's statement about Broly being set-up as the strongest Saiyan in the movies and the fact, that Movie 10 was released after SSJ2 Kid Gohan appeared even in the anime, I would say it's safe to say Broly has this, power-wise.
Gohan can probably use his small size to dodge Broly a lot and perhaps use his better skills and most importantly, rage boosts, to close and surpass their gap.
So I would say the fight could go either way.
EDIT:Paikuhan's Burning Shoot can't be that strong, since the Thunder Flash is stated to be his secret, ultimate weapon in the Daizenshuu 7.
Thunder Flash could easily be a 3x increase where Burning Shoot is a 2x increase. Dead bodies are also a lot more durable. It's hard to die twice in this series.RandomGuy96 wrote:Which is stupid and most likely wrong, as the Burning Shot was stated to be like the kaio-ken while the Thunder Flash failed to one hit kill someone way weaker than him.
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?
More than that. In this filler, they couldn't die again. One of the Kaio's says that after the short fast guy gets shoved into the ground.TheMightyOzaru wrote: Dead bodies are also a lot more durable. It's hard to die twice in this series.
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I disagree. There is no evidence to support that. Why would Kaio (who knows Goku's, Paikuhan's, and Broli's true power) send both of them if it wasn't necessary?TheMightyOzaru wrote:Or there isn't. Take your pick. Paikuhan could just solo Broly with his burning shoot technique most likely.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Or, maybe there was a reason that both Goku & Paikuhan were sent to Broli.
We see do see Videl flying & having short hair. And there is also no reason to assume that M10 Gohan is different from Boo arc Gohan.Son_Gohan wrote:Toriyama has stated that the movies are of a different dimension from the original story, so a lot of what takes place isn't entirely applicable to it. I don't remember the Tenkaichi Budokai being mentioned either, yet Gohan is shown with his training gi on.
Still, Gohan was never shown having control of his rage, unless something very bad was to happen.Son_Gohan wrote:The movie was produced before that scene occurred in the manga and before it was established he had an issue with his rage-boost.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.