SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

[Mjb1985]

I think LSSJ boosts Broly's speed and power equally. There's no drop off in speed for LSSJ.

[MDSTSSJ]

I think LSSJ boosts Broly's speed and power equally. There's no drop off in speed for LSSJ.

Yeah but, I don´t see LSSJ Broly faster than SSJ2 Majin Vegeta an SSJ2 Goku based on the fights that I mentioned earlier.

He can´t catch SSJ2 Gohan before falling into the lava´s trap.

[Mjb1985]

Just movie dramatics. I wouldn't look too far into it. LSSJ boosts speed and power equally, that was the whole point of the transformation imo.

[PerfectFreeza]

But Goku took out Broly in M11 with just SSJ2 and Pikkon.

[Kaboom]

But Goku took out Broly in M11 with just SSJ2 and Paikuhan.

If Paikuhan's likewise on the SSj2 tier and close to Goku in power (which is pretty likely given how he took out Cell), then the two of them teaming up could probably do it easily.

[PerfectFreeza]

But that's heavily debatable.
Pikkon was also sent with Goku to take out Janemba, yet he was pretty much just a distraction.
Could be the same case here.

[RandomGuy96]

The absolute highest I'd ever place Broly is Majin Vegeta level. Kaboom, I think you have too big of a gap between Gohan and Broly; with a difference like that, Broly shouldn't even have been budged.

Also, I'd like to point out that Broly never beat Gohan. They traded blows for a minute, Broly took a lava bath, and then he lost the beam struggle. While Broly was winning, it was inconclusive, and saying Broly won in three hits is inaccurate.

Broly is Super Perfect Cell's movie counterpart, and seems to fit that level of power. Maybe lower, as Super Perfect Cell has much better feats than Movie 10 Broly (one shotting kid Gohan). Any form of Buu would kill him in one hit, and IMO Majin Vegeta and SS2 Goku are each enough to make Broly their bitch. I don't even think he's any stronger than a moderately high balled Dabura.

[Mjb1985]

I'm definitely going with Kaboom here. Broly deserves a little something, and Gohan and Goku going Ssj2 seems quite plausible as well.

[Hugo Boss]

Daizenshuu questions about Goku being real or an illusion in movie 10. The way it describes Goku's assistment is very similar to the situation against Super Perfect Cell. I mean, most of people don't consider Goku contributed with his own power to help Gohan, just gave him encouragement to bring his full power out. Goku even spoiled his own Super Saiyan 2 transformation with a point difference in the hairstyle.

Gohan SSJ2 (Full Power) + Goten SSJ (Full Power) > Broly LSSJ > Gohan SSJ2 (Full Power), IMO

As I have Gohan SSJ2 (Full Power) equal to Kid Gohan SSJ2, I think Broly takes this match in a prolonged fight like MightyOozaru said.

In movie 11, Goku SSJ2 could have defeated Broly with Paikuhan's help, but I don't see them teaming up exactly. I bet Broly would fight individually with both of them. And if Paikuhan have the same battle power as Goku SSJ2, I ask myself, with what training? He was supposed to be in the Goku SSJ's tier.

Goku SSJ2 > Broly > or = Kid Gohan SSJ2, IMO

[Mjb1985]

Sheesh. Another major disagreement from me again. I don't see how Goku was just an illusion. He was there. They wouldn't have won if not for Goku.

Just because Goku beats Broly in M11 with Pikkon's help doesn't mean he has to be stronger. If he was, he wouldn't need Pikkon's help.

[Draken]

Sheesh. Another major disagreement from me again. I don't see how Goku was just an illusion. He was there. They wouldn't have won if not for Goku.

Just because Goku beats Broly in M11 with Paikuhan's help doesn't mean he has to be stronger. If he was, he wouldn't need Paikuhan's help.

Prove eet.

[PerfectFreeza]

Pikkon was sent to HFIL to help Goku with Janemba as well, yet we all know how that turned out.

[Kamiccolo9]

Paikuhan was sent to HFIL to help Goku with Janemba as well, yet we all know how that turned out.

So? Nobody knew what they were up against during the Janemba incident. They just sent the two strongest dead guys to take care of it.
With Broly, they knew who he was, how strong he was, and who would be needed to stop him.

[PerfectFreeza]

I am sure they could sense Janemba's ki, just like with Broly.

[Kamiccolo9]

I am sure they could sense Janemba's ki, just like with Broly.

Except they didn't. Goku didn't know how strong he was until he started fighting.

[Hugo Boss]

Sheesh. Another major disagreement from me again. I don't see how Goku was just an illusion. He was there. They wouldn't have won if not for Goku.

In my opinion and by reading Daizenshuu's description (remark the bold ending), this was the exactly same situation against Cell. You're free to disagree.

Just because Goku beats Broly in M11 with Paikuhan's help doesn't mean he has to be stronger. If he was, he wouldn't need Paikuhan's help.

It was never implied Goku actually needed that help. As I said, I don't imagine them teaming up. But there are ways to view.

[PerfectFreeza]

I am sure they could sense Janemba's ki, just like with Broly.

Except they didn't. Goku didn't know how strong he was until he started fighting.

Doesn't he say he has the greatest ki, before they even start fighting?

[Kamiccolo9]

I am sure they could sense Janemba's ki, just like with Broly.

Except they didn't. Goku didn't know how strong he was until he started fighting.

Doesn't he say he has the greatest ki, before they even start fighting?

No, he says that right before going SSJ3. After he's already been fighting him for a while.

[Cardle grave]

I will always have Broly 4x stronger then Gohan so at minimum i would put the strongest SSj2 tier Character and depending on how strong gohan is

Reason why is because how he dominated Gohan, Tanked 3/4 hits and Beat him in 3 hits and in 1:20 and too top it off not dying form the Family kamehameha is something i don't see any SSj2 high or low doing.

But at least where getting somewhere with Broly being over SSj2 goku though as that is nice to see

[PerfectFreeza]

Why he should be so strong?
You think Super 13 is over 4x stronger, than Kamiccolo, since he one-shot him?
He didn't really dominate him, since Gohan broke out of his hold, managed to hurt him with some attacks and even was faster than him.
Intial Fat Buu rather easily beat Gohan, in 2 hits, if I am not mistaken, yet he could be beat by Goku and Vegeta together.