Draken wrote:You saw how level-headed he was when she died. Besides the fact that it's DBM and they forgot like everything about regular DBZ and then took some liberties, nothing besides PIS is stopping her revival. He won't go crazy and attack his own half father thousands of times stronger than him.
He was levelheaded because there was still a chance she was gonna come back. If his dad ruined the chance of Pan being brought back for a stupid reason, he'd probably go crazy and attack him.
According to the DBM stories he accepts him as his dad. Even so Vegetto is his dad. He still cares for his dad and would never attack him out of anger.
But does he really see him the same way he saw Goku? After all, Vegerot's like a different person.
p.s. Like how you're using the viz spelling of Vegetto xD
Yeah, I use Kakarot instead of Kakarrotto, and I think Veget would sound too similar to Vegeta, so I use Vegerot.
Draken wrote:You saw how level-headed he was when she died. Besides the fact that it's DBM and they forgot like everything about regular DBZ and then took some liberties, nothing besides PIS is stopping her revival. He won't go crazy and attack his own half father thousands of times stronger than him.
He was levelheaded because there was still a chance she was gonna come back. If his dad ruined the chance of Pan being brought back for a stupid reason, he'd probably go crazy and attack him.
According to the DBM stories he accepts him as his dad. Even so Vegetto is his dad. He still cares for his dad and would never attack him out of anger.
But does he really see him the same way he saw Goku? After all, Vegerot's like a different person.
Gohan is way to mature for that. He really does not like fighting and really cares for his family. He will never ever lash out at his dad because he respects him far too much. The most he would ever do is scold. Gohan never ever resorts to fighting like a mad man when he is an adult. He is not Vegeta. Gohan never ever starts a fight. He would only fight Vegetto if Vegetto was the one to go crazy. He would be forced to defend people.
As I recall from the story he still respects him even though it's weird.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Draken wrote:You saw how level-headed he was when she died. Besides the fact that it's DBM and they forgot like everything about regular DBZ and then took some liberties, nothing besides PIS is stopping her revival. He won't go crazy and attack his own half father thousands of times stronger than him.
He was levelheaded because there was still a chance she was gonna come back. If his dad ruined the chance of Pan being brought back for a stupid reason, he'd probably go crazy and attack him.
Gohan is way to mature for that. He really does not like fighting and really cares for his family. He will never ever lash out at his dad because he respects him far too much. The most he would ever do is scold. Gohan never ever resorts to fighting like a mad man when he is an adult. He is not Vegeta. Gohan never ever starts a fight. He would only fight Vegetto if Vegetto was the one to go crazy. He would be forced to defend people.
I don't see why Gohan would continue to respect his father if he did something stupid to ruin Pan's revival.
Dr. Machismo wrote: I don't see why Gohan would continue to respect his father if he did something stupid to ruin Pan's revival.
We have the entire series of Dragon Ball to see why. Gohan would still respect his dad and would never forget everything that happened beforehand, but he would need a lot of time away from Vegetto if that happened. Gohan will never fight his father out of anger. Gohan is way to smart and mature for that. Gohan knows that fighting would solve absolutely nothing.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I guess Gohan will destroy the Dragon Balls from someone like Vegito or Freeza from getting their wish. I'm still wondering about the whole Captain Ginyu issue that happen a while back.
I dunno, for some reason I'm fine with the idea of an evil Vegetto. It'll depend on how they pull it off how much I'll like it, but...it's different, at least. And seeing him get his butt kicked in the end should be fun, given the deity-level-worship he seems to get sometimes.
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I bet you ten bucks that they have to team up with Zen Buu.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Yeah, He is simply gonna get Zen Buu to absorb Vegetto. Upon separating, Vegeta would then crush the earring because he's Vegeta. Or Karma's gonna be a bitch and he's gonna be absorbed before he puts a barrier, thus Goku and Vegeta will be lost to Buu.
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Question is, will Zen Buu be nice enough to let them out...?
I say yes. After defeating Vegetto his power will he completely unrivaled throughout the multiverse, so he may as well just let them out. He's been shown to be a pretty polite guy so far.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
I wonder what is Vegetto's wish. To make him go that far, he must have something very important in his mind... Or, maybe Ginyu will take his body.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
I don't think it's Vegetto who wants the Dragon Balls. He has them in his own universe, he doesn't need them. The only reason resurrecting Pan is a concern is because resurrecting her in their own universe probably wouldn't work.
I'm ok with "different." Android Yamcha is "different." U16 Bra is "different." The Super Namek is "different." None of those things bother me. Some I actually like. But Vegetto going through a face hell turn isn't just "different." It feels fundamentally wrong. Not just out of character, but a violation of one of the core sentiments that makes Dragon Ball Dragon Ball. We're talking Goku and post-sacrifice Vegeta here. This is not what Dragon Ball is about.
I don't know what I'd prefer. On one hand, evil Vegetto short circuits one of the things I love most about Dragon Ball. But on the other hand, miscommunication leading to good guys fighting other good guys is one of the shittiest plot devices ever, so if it's just a misunderstanding that will also suck.
Calm down with the speculations, we know nothing yet, it might turn out that Bardock is the one misunderstanding his visions. What if Ginyu is inside Gohan's body instead?
DNA wrote:Calm down with the speculations, we know nothing yet
Hello? Is this a forum?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
DNA wrote:Calm down with the speculations, we know nothing yet, it might turn out that Bardock is the one misunderstanding his visions. What if Ginyu is inside Gohan's body instead?
I like this theory a lot. It would make sense since people keep complaining Gohan's recent dealings have been a bit ouf of character.
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