The one level theory on Gogeta and Vegito

[Hugo Boss]

If Gohan (Pre 25th BT) and Goten (Pre 25th BT) had the same battle power, so Post RoSaT Base Goten is stronger than SS Gohan (Pre 25th BT)? Is that so? These kids are too OP. To me it makes more sense that Post RoSaT Goten is as strong as Gohan (Fat Buu Saga). Then, Post RoSaT Trunks would still be under Vegeta (Buu Saga)/Gohan (Cell Games).

[Saiga]

If Vegeta's comparison can't be comparing Gohan and Trunks at the same level of transformation, then the Daizenshuu entry MUST mean that SS Goten is equal to SS2 Gohan. Which means Trunks must already be stronger than SS2 Gohan, which is contradictory to what Vegeta said.

I think people are being far too narrow-minded about Goten's Daizenshuu entry. Given that both boys and Gohan go through numerous power ups through that arc (High School -> 25th -> Post RoSaT/Z Sword -> Ultimate) and as far as I know the Daizenshuu doesn't actually specify what time period it's talking about when it says that, it's not very helpful at all.

[Hugo Boss]

Gohan sparred with Goten in the end of Great Saiyaman Arc. Maybe Daizenshuu considered that time and Gohan's comments about Goten being very close to him and possibly being ahead if Gohan hadn't start training.

For On-Topic.

Manga Gogeta is not so stronger than Gotenks or Super Buu, I have Ultimate Gohan stronger than any form of Metamoru fusion, even Super Saiyan 3. You add Gohan Buu statements that a new fusion wouldn't defeat him. Potara is much more powerful than Metamoru.

Anime Gogeta in other hand possibly can be stronger than Gohan Buu and I considered he transformed to Super Saiyan 2 In movie 12. The one level theory can work in anime.

[Draken]

Gohan sparred with Goten in the end of Great Saiyaman Arc. Maybe Daizenshuu considered that time and Gohan's comments about Goten being very close to him and possibly being ahead if Gohan hadn't start training.

For On-Topic.

Manga Gogeta is not so stronger than Gotenks or Super Buu, I have Ultimate Gohan stronger than any form of Metamoru fusion, even Super Saiyan 3. You add Gohan Buu statements that a new fusion wouldn't defeat him. Potara is much more powerful than Metamoru.

Anime Gogeta in other hand possibly can be stronger than Gohan Buu and I considered he transformed to Super Saiyan 2 In movie 12. The one level theory can work in anime.

Purty sure he was a regular SSJ since it was never mentioned he was a SSJ2. And I call bullshit on the kids being on par with their dads.

[Hugo Boss]

Purty sure he was a regular SSJ since it was never mentioned he was a SSJ2.

It was never mentioned Goku and Vegeta went SSJ2 as well, but we assume they were by seeing Goku's hairstyle. Maybe Gogeta could be a Super Saiyan 2, but just to overpower Janemba with great gap, I think base Gogeta could give a good fight to Super Janemba, but with time's problem.

And I call bullshit on the kids being on par with their dads.

I didn't say they were on par, but closer. Goten SSJ & Trunks SSJ (Post-RoSaT) probably surpassed Gohan SSJ (25th Budokai Tenkaichi) individually.

[RandomGuy96]

Call bullshit all you want, but the kids being at least somewhat close to their parents is the official stance.

[Draken]

Call bullshit all you want, but the kids being at least somewhat close to their parents is the official stance.

Where? Besides from guidebooks that have multiple interpretations that you yourself have declared could be faulty.

[RandomGuy96]

Those guidebooks are the only official statements we have on the strength of the kids. And their power was implied to be that high at many points in the manga, like when they freaked out Piccolo (who is no slouch) by powering up, when Gohan had tons of trouble and difficulty deflecting an inexperienced and not serious Goten's blows, and when Buuhan predicted that a fusion of Goku and Vegeta wouldn't be miles ahead of a fusion of Goten and Trunks.

[Draken]

Those guidebooks are the only official statements we have on the strength of the kids. And their power was implied to be that high at many points in the manga, like when they freaked out Piccolo (who is no slouch) by powering up, when Gohan had tons of trouble and difficulty deflecting an inexperienced and not serious Goten's blows, and when Buuhan predicted that a fusion of Goku and Vegeta wouldn't be miles ahead of a fusion of Goten and Trunks.

What if Gogeta is equal to Vegetto due to whatever "bonus" Potara giving also affecting Metamor? I find it bullshit that a pair of magic earrings can suddenly tell when two people are rivals and grant them an enormous power boost that makes them millions of times stronger than their components (if you follow Goku x Vegeta) while the fusion dance that mimics it can't tell if two people are rivals.

It's possible Buuhan predicted the fusion wouldn't be strong enough because he thought that Vegeta and Goku were like Goten and Trunks. Yet with the Potara fusion Old Kai himself said that the fusion was so strong BECAUSE it was Vegeta and Goku. Perhaps it being Vegeta and Goku works for Metamor as well.

[Hugo Boss]

The problem is by using the Gotenks' logic Gogeta couldn't be that powerful, Goku predicted how strong Gotenks would be after seeing the kids' power. Also Old Kaioshin implied a Potara between Gohan and Goku would result a very powerful warrior, probably stronger than Gotenks Buu even in base form. These are hints.

But I read a interview where Toriyama didn't plan on using those earrings. The plot needed a Super Vegetto, because movie 12 used Super Gogeta, if I'm not wrong, and he's stronger than Gohan Buu. The rival boost could be aplied as well to Metamoru, we don't know.

[miguelnuva1]

Another thing is AT always said that he wanted something cooler then Super Gogeta when he created Super Vegito and that the Potara was stronger than the dance he never said outside that their was a huge difference.

[Kamiccolo9]

Another thing is AT always said that he wanted something cooler then Super Gogeta when he created Super Vegito and that the Potara was stronger than the dance he never said outside that their was a huge difference.

Where did he say that?

[miguelnuva1]

Another thing is AT always said that he wanted something cooler then Super Gogeta when he created Super Vegito and that the Potara was stronger than the dance he never said outside that their was a huge difference.

Where did he say that?

He said in a interview he wanted something cooler then Gogeta for the Manga.

[Kamiccolo9]

Another thing is AT always said that he wanted something cooler then Super Gogeta when he created Super Vegito and that the Potara was stronger than the dance he never said outside that their was a huge difference.

Where did he say that?

He said in a interview he wanted something cooler then Gogeta for the Manga.

Do you have a link to the interview? This sounds interesting. Even more so if it includes a statement about the Potara being stronger than the dance.