SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

[TheGmGoken]

Just an aside:

Krillin was 1,770, Piccolo was injured from an off guard hit at that time, and his blast actually did damage Nappa bit. More than anything else up to that point, anyway.

My bad forgot Krillin's exact level. Eh, Nappa was more like omg I got hit in the back. FUCK YOU zap.

Let's not forget Gohan's Masenko got tanked by Nappa.

4k is not 2x of 2,800. Cardle's logic is flawed. Tanks are only used for the sake of plot. To make the character seem stronger than they're actually is.

[PerfectFreeza]

That damage was done when Broly was in his SSJ state. Watch the entire movie. It carried over to his LSSJ form.
And that's what I said about Buu. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

Nobody managed to damage him though in his SSJ state and his face was clean of wounds, when he transformed.


I am trying to say, that Gohan needed to get angry to beat up initial Buu, yet Dabra was calling Buu trash and even was eager to beat him up.When Buu powered up to beat Dabra, Gohan was at shock and Goku at that moment said Buu was underestimated and that they can only take him out together as SSJ2s.If Gohan was SSJ in his fight with Dabra, then Buu could just power up to a level, where he would equal SSJ2 Adult Gohan and could stomp Dabra and Goku wouldn't be concerned with him.

[Draken]

Just an aside:

Krillin was 1,770, Piccolo was injured from an off guard hit at that time, and his blast actually did damage Nappa bit. More than anything else up to that point, anyway.

My bad forgot Krillin's exact level. Eh, Nappa was more like omg I got hit in the back. FUCK YOU zap.

Let's not forget Gohan's Masenko got tanked by Nappa.

4k is not 2x of 2,800. Cardle's logic is flawed. Tanks are only used for the sake of plot. To make the character seem stronger than they're actually is.

We pointed that out loooonggg ago in several older threads. He doesn't seem to get it. Tanking feats usually mean shit in DBZ.

[Cardle grave]

EDIT:How is it irrelevant?It's a part of the Dragon Ball canon. He fought like that, but Gohan was actually closer to him, than Goku and wasn't letting Broly rampange all over him.

Like Broly was trying to rampage over gohan like he did against goku and Gohan got 3 shot while goku still kept on fighting. Broly was actually fighting hard agains goku as you can see it on his face and how different his style was when he vs the others. While against gohan he showed none of that. So clearly he didn't take him seriously at all

Yes, he tanked that intial punch, but he actually moved and looked to be in pain from other attacks.He seemed pretty angry, when Gohan broke from his hold.

Did you even watch movie 10, that was after the lava, he moved a meter not a mile. You making it seem like he moved a mile and was bleeding all over. He practically flinched for a second.


Yes he did damage Broly.He made Broly look to be in pain.Also, see the image above.His body and head are a mess of scratches.

Nappa wasn't 5x stronger than Tenshinhan.He is less than 2,5x stronger.
Gohan being SSJ2 against Dabra is actually supported even more by statements.[/quote]

What was the power level of nappa and tien then and that was after the lava. go watch he movie

[RandomGuy96]

We pointed that out loooonggg ago in several older threads. He doesn't seem to get it. Tanking feats usually mean shit in DBZ.

Tanking feats do mean a lot, but they're very inconsistent and you don't need to have anywhere near a multifold advantage to tank most attacks. Heck, Piccolo was WEAKER than Goku (if only by, like, 1%) and he tanked his Super Kamehameha. Piccolo's tanking feat here >>> Broly's tanking feat in Movie 10.

[TheGmGoken]

Nappa wasn't 5x stronger than Tenshinhan.He is less than 2,5x stronger.
Gohan being SSJ2 against Dabra is actually supported even more by statements.

What was the power level of nappa and Tenshinhan then and that was after the lava. go watch he movie[/quote]

Nappa was 4000 to Tenshinhan's 1,830. Do the math. 4000 divided by 1,830 = 2.18x.

Like Broly was trying to rampage over gohan like he did against goku and Gohan got 3 shot while goku still kept on fighting. Broly was actually fighting hard agains goku as you can see it on his face and how different his style was when he vs the others. While against gohan he showed none of that. So clearly he didn't take him seriously at all

No. Broly fucking hated Goku that's why he was most likely pushing himself beyond limits.

[Kamiccolo9]

That damage was done when Broly was in his SSJ state. Watch the entire movie. It carried over to his LSSJ form.
And that's what I said about Buu. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

Nobody managed to damage him though in his SSJ state and his face was clean of wounds, when he transformed.

I am trying to say, that Gohan needed to get angry to beat up initial Buu, yet Dabra was calling Buu trash and even was eager to beat him up.When Buu powered up to beat Dabra, Gohan was at shock and Goku at that moment said Buu was underestimated and that they can only take him out together as SSJ2s.If Gohan was SSJ in his fight with Dabra, then Buu could just power up to a level, where he would equal SSJ2 Adult Gohan and could stomp Dabra and Goku wouldn't be concerned with him.

Ok, I was wrong about the face, but the chest was scratched up early on in the fight, in his SSJ state. You can see it in that first picture.
I don't think that Dabura was sensing Buu's power here. He was just making fun of him, like Vegeta does to Pure Buu at the end of the arc. Dabura's ki sensing skills seem a little off anyway.
Goku said they could take Buu, but later clarified to Piccolo that he was intending to use fusion. They couldn't have beaten Buu by ganging up on him as SSJ2's.

[Cardle grave]

Ok guys give me an example that isn't Freeza saga or below since everybody is posting so dam fast and Quoting is just a pain

go for it

[RandomGuy96]

Dabura's not an idiot, I don't think he'd judge by appearances. Also, when Initial Buu showed up, Gohan's all "I need to tap into my true power to manage anything" while Dabura's like "what worthless trash". Everyone crapped their pants when Dabura was beaten in two hits as well, probably indicating that the power Gohan sensed from Initial Buu (=< Angry SS2 Gohan) wasn't far above Dabura in the first place.

Nah, Goku said that they needed to gang up on him right after fighting Majin Vegeta. It was only later that he said it wouldn't work, and Buu possibly powered up.

[TheGmGoken]

Here watch the full fight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3d6WsnzngU
If you have to watch the full movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN78UR8PPeU

I know it's the english dub but most of the debate is about the fight not the dialog. Let's go!

Ok guys give me an example that isn't Freeza saga or below since everybody is posting so dam fast and Quoting is just a pain

go for it

Give you an example of what?

[Cardle grave]

No. Broly fucking hated Goku that's why he was most likely pushing himself beyond limits.

Really, then why didn't he do the same thing before it the power increase. Must of love him back then

Give me an example of the gap after freeza saga that you need to tank the blast, since all your examples are Freeza Saga and this movie happen in Buu saga

[TheGmGoken]

No. Broly fucking hated Goku that's why he was most likely pushing himself beyond limits.

Really, then why didn't he do the same thing before it the power increase. Must of love him back then

Re-write that.

before it the power increase.

I know english might that be your first language but I could't understand what you're saying there.

[Kamiccolo9]

Dabura's not an idiot, I don't think he'd judge by appearances. Also, when Initial Buu showed up, Gohan's all "I need to tap into my true power to manage anything" while Dabura's like "what worthless trash". Everyone crapped their pants when Dabura was beaten in two hits as well.

Nah, Goku said that they needed to gang up on him right after fighting Majin Vegeta. It was only later that he said it wouldn't work, and Buu possibly powered up.

Neither is Vegeta, yet he did.
Buu popps out of his ball, and after expecting a fearsome demon to emerge, they see an idiotic, pink, fat guy who doesn't seem to be able to say a complete sentence. I see no issue with Dabura calling him trash based on this alone.
Ah, that's right. Sorry about that, my mistake.

[PerfectFreeza]

Broly was fighting hard against Gohan.Didn't you see his face, when Gohan was getting out of his grip?
Obviously I, otherwise I wouldn't be talking about it.He moved a meter.That's a far better feat from Gohan, than from the others in M8, where Goku barely budges his head with a knee to the chin.
See the replies above.Nappa is 4,000, Tenshinhan is 1,830, Kuririn is 1,770, Piccolo is 3,500 and Gohan enraged is 2,800.
EDIT:His chest was messed up from M8, where his guts got all ripped out from Goku's punch.

While that's true, it's still very likely, that he could beat him up.After all, Vegeta calls him dissapointing, but a threat to Kaioshin, which makes sense.
Goku was talking about the powered up twice Buu with the fusion.
He was most likely talking about ganging up with the powered up once Buu.Vegeta even takes on him solo and only loses, when Buu powers up again.

[Draken]

What was the power level of nappa and Tenshinhan then and that was after the lava. go watch he movie

Maybe if you bothered to read you'd see my post. Nappa was 2.5x stronger than Krillin, Tien, Piccolo, and Gohan at max, and not even 15% stronger than Piccolo, and casually stomped all of them whilst taking zero damage. Does not need to be 4x.

[Axiom]

I don't believe in Attack power mulitpliers. As far as I know, we've only seen one example of it in the Manga.

And Seriously, Broly is obvious out of Gohan's league.

[dbzfan7]

Here watch the full fight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3d6WsnzngU
If you have to watch the full movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN78UR8PPeU

I know it's the english dub but most of the debate is about the fight not the dialog. Let's go!

TheSunDestin has the fight in Japanese. Though i'm too lazy to link all 3 parts so the link has all 3 parts in the search inquiry.

[RandomGuy96]

Also:

Everyone crapped their pants when Dabura was beaten in two hits as well, probably indicating that the power Gohan sensed from Initial Buu (=< Angry SS2 Gohan) wasn't far above Dabura in the first place

Vegeta also didn't consider Dabura to be trash or fodder (he was very surprised when Buu beat him, and said that he "could manage something" against Dabura, not that he could squash him like a bug), and Goku said that he'd have been a challenging foe at the time of the Cell Games.

Maybe if you bothered to read you'd see my post. Nappa was 2.5x stronger than Krillin, Tenshinhan, Piccolo, and Gohan at max, and not even 15% stronger than Piccolo, and casually stomped all of them whilst taking zero damage. Does not need to be 4x.

He took a little damage from Piccolo's hits. Had a pained look on his face, burn marks, messed up armor, and got mocked by Vegeta, who said he was having trouble.

Piccolo might have fared better if Nappa didn't hit him off guard twice. The off guard elbow resembles Majin Vegeta's chop on Goku while the taking the bullet moment for Gohan resembles Gohan doing the same thing with Vegeta after Cell pwned him. It was all because Piccolo was A. operating under the assumption that all saiyans had the same weaknesses and B. more trying to save Gohan then keep himself safe.

[Cardle grave]

Really, then why didn't he do the same thing before goku power increase. Must of love him back then

trunks quote: "I cant believe there is a power out there that our powers cant reach"

Yeah being a little more power is unreachable

[Kamiccolo9]

See the replies above.Nappa is 4,000, Tenshinhan is 1,830, Kuririn is 1,770, Piccolo is 3,500 and Gohan enraged is 2,800.
EDIT:His chest was messed up from M8, where his guts got all ripped out from Goku's punch.

While that's true, it's still very likely, that he could beat him up.After all, Vegeta calls him dissapointing, but a threat to Kaioshin, which makes sense.
Goku was talking about the powered up twice Buu with the fusion.
He was most likely talking about ganging up with the powered up once Buu.Vegeta even takes on him solo and only loses, when Buu powers up again.

Ok, the point is that his chest was already messed up before he transformed. Gohan didn't do that to him.
As for Dabura, it's possible, but I choose to see it as what I said in my last post. That seems more in character for Dabura, IMO.
I already admitted I was wrong about them ganging up on Buu.