SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:48 pm

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dbzfan7 wrote: Give or take. I still debate on whether the Boo debates or Broly debates are worse. They both just go on and on with neither side giving in after its settled by moderators.
It's been a while since the last Buu debate though. That ended, and then we got Broly dumped on us.
Funny how they are both based on mindless monsters (Boo debates usually about Kid Boo and Broly is well.....Broly)
Yup. The two enemies in the series who don't just flat out say how strong they are. They should be more considerate.
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by Cardle grave » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:48 pm

Here' another example of Broly going harder on Goku than the other Z fighters, Broly punching Goku and glass broke. That was ahrder than most things he did of the Z fighters.
Yes lets compare 1 hit to 100 hits. And he also Broke Trunks jaw does that mean trunks is stronger then everyone else because he took him more seriously.
He mostly either just smacked them away or he threw them. He also picked up Goku with his ki and blasted Goku(This was a little bit before everyone sent him energy).
He blast Gohan and piccolo so i still don't get what your trying to prove. Is gohan stronger then everyone because Broly was going to kill him first
Bojack tanked Gohan's kamehameha at the end of the Movie :thumbup:
No he didn't, he cancel it out with his own blast

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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:50 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:But Buu debates also involve Super Buu a lot, and he's one of the smartest villains.

Hmmm, I need to start another Buu debate soon...
It'll be interesting to be honest. Despite my eariler comment that said it always fun to debate Boo. I never debated Boo on Kanzenshuu.

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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:51 pm

Yup. The two enemies in the series who don't just flat out say how strong they are. They should be more considerate.
Buu has other people to flat-out say how strong they are for him. And people STILL don't believe them.
It'll be interesting to be honest. Despite my eariler comment that said it always fun to debate Boo. I never debated Boo on Kanzenshuu.
I love debating about Buu. In fact I made a mildly Buu-related topic (Super Buu vs Gotenks, power wise) like a week ago.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:52 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
Yup. The two enemies in the series who don't just flat out say how strong they are. They should be more considerate.
Buu has other people to flat-out say how strong they are for him. And people STILL don't believe them.
True enough. They're just lazy then :P
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RandomGuy96 wrote:But Buu debates also involve Super Buu a lot, and he's one of the smartest villains.

Hmmm, I need to start another Buu debate soon...
It'll be interesting to be honest. Despite my eariler comment that said it always fun to debate Boo. I never debated Boo on Kanzenshuu.
Well, the big debate is the Pure Buu/Super Buu one. And most of the people active on this forum agree on that one, so without the one or two that disagree, there's not much of a debate.
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by Mjb1985 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:53 pm

If it wasn't for the anime filler, Kid Buu vs Super Buu would never be a debate. It's a shame that filler has totally spawned a whole clan of followers for that one segment. If Kai leaves it out hopefully that will be the end of it.

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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by Cardle grave » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:55 pm

I am over Broly myself hard to believe yeah i know but seriously there no point in debating on him. Everyone has a different opinion on him and assumptions. So guys think he got hurt and some guys think he didn't.

Overall good debate people enjoy your day

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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:56 pm

Well I can see this Broly debate is over........FOR NOW :twisted: . See y'all next month for the next Broly debate :wave: .

Still want that Boo debate through... :think:

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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by Mjb1985 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:57 pm

Broly I generally think of

M8 Ssj = Ssj Kid Gohan CG
M8 Lssj = Power Weighted Cell
M10 Ssj = Perfect Cell
M10 Lssj = Fat Buu Power Up 1

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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:58 pm

Mjb1985 wrote:Broly I generally think of

M8 Ssj = Ssj Kid Gohan CG
M8 Lssj = Power Weighted Cell
M10 Ssj = Perfect Cell
M10 Lssj = Fat Buu Power Up 1
That's actually not a bad poll. Good Job. :thumbup: . Most accurate than I've ever seen.

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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:00 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Well I can see this Broly debate is over........FOR NOW :twisted: . See y'all next month for the next Broly debate :wave: .

Still want that Boo debate through... :think:
They're not as fun as you might think. But if you insist, here's a look at how these things turn out. Enjoy.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=23181
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=23381
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=22767
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:05 pm

M8 Ssj = Ssj Kid Gohan CG
M8 Lssj = Power Weighted Cell
M10 Ssj = Perfect Cell
M10 Lssj = Fat Buu Power Up 1
That's reasonable, if overrating Broly a bit (he didn't seem to defeat Gohan with anywhere near as much as ease as Fat Buu IMO). For me:

M8 SS = Initial Perfect Cell
M8 LSS = Suppressed Perfect Cell
M10 LSS = Suppressed Perfect Cell (same as M8 LSS)
M10 LSS = Super Perfect Cell
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by Mjb1985 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:05 pm

Thank you. I feel my placement gives credit to Broly, but doesn't let it get out of hand either. Broly has probably the widest range of placements compared to most characters so its tough for everyone to agree.

Considering I feel that Gohan was a Super Saiyan against Fat Buu and a Super Saiyan 2 against Broly, that is how it's supposed to be.
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:05 pm

Hooray the fighting is over and we seem to mostly respect each others opinions.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!

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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:06 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Well I can see this Broly debate is over........FOR NOW :twisted: . See y'all next month for the next Broly debate :wave: .

Still want that Boo debate through... :think:
They're not as fun as you might think. But if you insist, here's a look at how these things turn out. Enjoy.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=23181
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=23381
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=22767
Wow just wow. People using filler over anime. Now I want to debate more. Feel like doing a Kanzenshuu Boo debate anyways. But yeah they're exactly what I expected.

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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:07 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
M8 Ssj = Ssj Kid Gohan CG
M8 Lssj = Power Weighted Cell
M10 Ssj = Perfect Cell
M10 Lssj = Fat Buu Power Up 1
That's reasonable, if overrating Broly a bit (he didn't seem to defeat Gohan with anywhere near as much as ease as Fat Buu IMO). For me:

M8 SS = Initial Perfect Cell
M8 LSS = Suppressed Perfect Cell
M10 LSS = Suppressed Perfect Cell (same as M8 LSS)
M10 LSS = Super Perfect Cell
Mine's pretty much the same as Mjb 1985's, except I have M8 LSSJ Broly at FP Perfect Cell strength. Power weighted seems a bit high for me.
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:10 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
M8 Ssj = Ssj Kid Gohan CG
M8 Lssj = Power Weighted Cell
M10 Ssj = Perfect Cell
M10 Lssj = Fat Buu Power Up 1
That's reasonable, if overrating Broly a bit (he didn't seem to defeat Gohan with anywhere near as much as ease as Fat Buu IMO). For me:

M8 SS = Initial Perfect Cell
M8 LSS = Suppressed Perfect Cell
M10 LSS = Suppressed Perfect Cell (same as M8 LSS)
M10 LSS = Super Perfect Cell
Mine's pretty much the same as Mjb 1985's, except I have M8 LSSJ Broly at FP Perfect Cell strength. Power weighted seems a bit high for me.
I know this might not be the topic for it but how's Power Weighted Cell?
Perfect Cell 100% = 100%
Power weighted = 120%?

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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:10 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Well I can see this Broly debate is over........FOR NOW :twisted: . See y'all next month for the next Broly debate :wave: .

Still want that Boo debate through... :think:
They're not as fun as you might think. But if you insist, here's a look at how these things turn out. Enjoy.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=23181
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=23381
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=22767
Wow just wow. People using filler over anime. Now I want to debate more. Feel like doing a Kanzenshuu Boo debate anyways. But yeah they're exactly what I expected.
If you do then hell will rain down on this forum :twisted:

So please spare the poor people here :cry:
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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:12 pm

We just had a Buu debate, and we're having one now, about his absorbptions.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

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RandomGuy96 wrote:We just had a Buu debate, and we're having one now, about his absorbptions.
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