SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

[Mjb1985]

Yea 1.2 or 1.25x seems good based on mathematics. Most of the time I feel it should be higher due to Cell's massive size, depends on how you take Reecome not tanking Vegeta imo.

If Reecome let Vegeta punch him without bracing himself then there's no comparison. But if Reecome tried to tank Vegeta and couldn't, we have an interesting baseline to work with.

I get the feeling Reecome just let Vegeta beat on him though.

[Kamiccolo9]

We just had a Buu debate, and we're having one now, about his absorbptions.

That's a tame, July Buu debate. The Great Buu debates of May are over for now.

[Cardle grave]

Seriously guys get real

Does it look like anyone after freeza saga who has a 1.25 gap can one shot or tank a blast.

[Mjb1985]

You mean the gaps need to be much bigger?

[RandomGuy96]

Unfortunately we can't tell you, as post-Freeza arc power levels don't exist.

You mean the gaps need to be much bigger?

I do think they need to be bigger, but not MULTIFOLDS, that's just ridiculous. As a general outline, I go with:

100-95%- Equals
94-89%- Slight advantage
88-84%- Moderate advantage
83-80%- Large advantage
79-75%- Dominating advantage
74-70%- Punches and kicks are ineffective
69-64%- Tanking punches and kicks
63-59%- Taking only minor damage from most amplified ki attacks.
58-50%- Tanking most ki attacks.

Gaps are not an exact science or anything, so battles with similar gaps can still turn out VERY differently due to non power factors.

[TheGmGoken]

Yea 1.2 or 1.25x seems good based on mathematics. Most of the time I feel it should be higher due to Cell's massive size, depends on how you take Reecome not tanking Vegeta imo.

If Reecome let Vegeta punch him without bracing himself then there's no comparison. But if Reecome tried to tank Vegeta and couldn't, we have an interesting baseline to work with.

I get the feeling Reecome just let Vegeta beat on him though.

Welp. Thanks for the idea ^_^. http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=23984

Seriously guys get real

Does it look like anyone after freeza saga who has a 1.25 gap can one shot or tank a blast.

Lol you're still on that xD. But Freeza post power levels are not told besides Trunks being 5. We don't know their power and even if they're 1.25 gap we can't prove it. But if I have to guess Goku tanking Majin Vegeta's blast. I'm going by the anime on this one since I highly disagree with the Manga version of Majin Vegeta vs Goku

[Mjb1985]

Yea this is an interesting style I find.

If Reecome cannot tank Vegeta and Vegeta can tank 19, well we can start making some judgements there.

The problem is that Ginyu Force at 66% make Goku look like a god.

So what happens if Goku tried to tank Jeice? Would it look like Vegeta's tank on 19 and Cell?

[Cardle grave]

You mean the gaps need to be much bigger?

Of course as this is not saiyan saga nor freeza saga,This movie happen in Buu Saga. You don't see Cell tank Goku kamehameha like Piccolo did to Goku at Budokai or Bojack one-shotting Vegeta since his practically more then 2x stronger then him. Or Kid Buu one-shotting vegeta or Fat buu one-shoting vegeta. And there gaps are more then 3x


Anything before Freeza saga was bullshit, Like Piccolo not being one-shot by 50% Freeza or Gohan as well. Or Vegeta not dying form Goku kamehameha but able to one-shot Zarbon. It was all plot

[TheGmGoken]

Yea this is an interesting style I find.

If Reecome cannot tank Vegeta and Vegeta can tank 19, well we can start making some judgements there.

The problem is that Ginyu Force at 66% make Goku look like a god.

So what happens if Goku tried to tank Jeice? Would it look like Vegeta's tank on 19 and Cell?

Post that on my topic lol. But I'll answer anyways. Tanking is for the plot sakes only lol. So if Goku looked like a God of destruction compared to Ginyu Force despite being 66% then he could tank it.

And there gaps are more then 3x

And THEIR gaps are more THAN 3x

[RandomGuy96]

Recoome didn't seem to be letting Vegeta hit him at all. He was very surprised when Vegeta first charged him and took a ton of damage (he shrugged it off, but you can still see he's injured). Vegeta also landed a few solid hits after that, which clearly hurt Recoome as well. Vegeta overall did really well here, and I think this fight really disproves the incredibly tiny gaps precedent set by the Dodoria, Zarbon, and Cui fights. It also disproves gaps always being consistent.

[Mjb1985]

Varying levels of effort and greatly superior amplified blasts cover the majority of those issues ( manga only )

[TheGmGoken]

You mean the gaps need to be much bigger?

Of course as this is not saiyan saga nor freeza saga,This movie happen in Buu Saga. You don't see Cell tank Goku kamehameha like Piccolo did to Goku at Budokai or Bojack one-shotting Vegeta since his practically more then 2x stronger then him. Or Kid Buu one-shotting vegeta or Fat buu one-shoting vegeta. And there gaps are more then 3x


Anything before Freeza saga was bullshit, Like Piccolo not being one-shot by 50% Freeza or Gohan as well. Or Vegeta not dying form Goku kamehameha but able to one-shot Zarbon. It was all plot

We already establish that it was all plot =/.

[Cardle grave]

Oh Jesus are you saying all the moments after Freeza saga is all plot ??

He put his hand into his stomach, He one-shot him

[RandomGuy96]

Vegeta only one-shotted Zarbon after taking him off guard by throwing sand in his eyes and spamming ki blasts. After that Vegeta said that Zarbon's power dropped a ton.

[Mjb1985]

Freeza didn't one shot Nail and we know their power levels. Effort is key.

[TheGmGoken]

Oh Jesus are you saying all the moments after Freeza saga is all plot ??

He put his hand into his stomach, He one-shot him

I said "we". Never said every moment =/.

[Cardle grave]

Oh Jesus are you saying all the moments after Freeza saga is all plot ??

He put his hand into his stomach, He one-shot him

I said "we". Never said every moment =/.

What ???

I proved my point that Freeza saga and Saiyan Saga gaps are different form Cell and Buu saga and what proves this is

Bojack vs Vegeta
Bojack Shield Against Trunks Ki blast
Majin Vegeta Vs Fat buu
Vegeta vs Kid buu
Cell vs Goku Punches and Kamehameha
Super perfect cell vs Vegeta Blast
Bojack vs Piccolo



All the Gaps between them would of been one-shot in Freeza or Saiyan Saga. But Cell and Buu shown otherwise. And I proved that Freeza Saga and Saiyan Saga itself can be inconsistent at time

[TheGmGoken]

Oh Jesus are you saying all the moments after Freeza saga is all plot ??

He put his hand into his stomach, He one-shot him

I said "we". Never said every moment =/.

What ???

I proved my point that Freeza saga and Saiyan Saga gaps are different form Cell and Buu saga and what proves this is

Bojack vs Vegeta
Bojack Shield Against Trunks Ki blast
Majin Vegeta Vs Fat buu
Vegeta vs Kid buu
Cell vs Goku Punches and Kamehameha
Super perfect cell vs Vegeta Blast
Bojack vs Piccolo



All the Gaps between them would of been one-shot in Freeza or Saiyan Saga. But Cell and Buu shown otherwise. And I proved that Freeza Saga and Saiyan Saga itself can be inconsistent at time

You're saying that like the Cell arc and Boo arc wasn't inconsistent. Most of those fights you listed was for the plot's sake. As is more of the series fights are. Also Vegeta's body is more durable when dead(Like other dead people) so even if DB was consistent he would't be one shot. Cell vs Goku = Cell was holding back to be equal to Goku. SPC once again was toying with Vegeta through he had to prepare himself for the blast as Vegeta's anger could have at least damage he slightly. I don't really count movie battles.

[Cardle grave]

You're saying that like the Cell arc and Boo arc wasn't inconsistent. Most of those fights you listed was for the plot's sake. As is more of the series fights are. Also Vegeta's body is more durable when dead(Like other dead people) so even if DB was consistent he would't be one shot. Cell vs Goku = Cell was holding back to be equal to Goku. SPC once again was toying with Vegeta through he had to prepare himself for the blast as Vegeta's anger could have at least damage he slightly. I don't really count movie battles.

Oh please, Freeza saga and Saiyan saga was inconsistent form here to next year with the whole Piccolo vs Freeza, Gohan vs Freeza and Vegeta vs Zarbon and Goku. The only plot i know in them fights are trunks surviving a punch form Super buu and something else. And Movies don't count well we are debating on a movie character so it does count.

[TheGmGoken]

You're saying that like the Cell arc and Boo arc wasn't inconsistent. Most of those fights you listed was for the plot's sake. As is more of the series fights are. Also Vegeta's body is more durable when dead(Like other dead people) so even if DB was consistent he would't be one shot. Cell vs Goku = Cell was holding back to be equal to Goku. SPC once again was toying with Vegeta through he had to prepare himself for the blast as Vegeta's anger could have at least damage he slightly. I don't really count movie battles.

Oh please, Freeza saga and Saiyan saga was inconsistent form here to next year with the whole Piccolo vs Freeza, Gohan vs Freeza and Vegeta vs Zarbon and Goku. The only plot i know in them fights are trunks surviving a punch form Super buu and something else. And Movies don't count well we are debating on a movie character so it does count.

I said I don't count movie battles when it came to inconsistent. I thought it was implied since that was the subject. What's with the attitude? =/. Once again you're saying that like Cell arc and Boo arcs aren't inconsistent in terms of fighting.