Your biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic

[dbzfan7]

This can be an inconsistency or problem that stemmed from the anime, movie, special, etc. What problem whenever you think about it just annoys you.

[RandomGuy96]

The collateral damage being so damn low. The planet not being destroyed by tiny finger beams from guys like Krillin.

[TheMightyOzaru]

My biggest problem with Dragon Ball isn't the logic, it's the fact that a lot of the characters become useless. I often find myself considering Avatar a better show because EVERYONE is useful, even non-benders like Sokka.

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

I like Dragonball logic; I like its flow, but I suppose I sort of agree about characters, although, making characters important for every new arc can be systematically repetitive. I don't mind to an extent some characters becoming useless.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I like Dragonball logic; I like its flow, but I suppose I sort of agree about characters, although, making characters important for every new arc can be systematically repetitive. I don't mind to an extent some characters becoming useless.

Dragon Ball practically has to have characters fall form usefulness to make sense. That's just something inherently wrong with the series. It's not the end of the world or anything, but it's not something that can't be fixed and still make sense.

[Kamiccolo9]

The collateral damage being so damn low. The planet not being destroyed by tiny finger beams from guys like Krillin.

This is my problem. These people go every day restraining themselves to tiny fractions of their full power, and I don't see how at least one of them hasn't slipped up and at least blown up a city.
And how did Vegeta's Big Bang against 19 not blow up the planet?

[TheMightyOzaru]

The collateral damage being so damn low. The planet not being destroyed by tiny finger beams from guys like Krillin.

This is my problem. These people go every day restraining themselves to tiny fractions of their full power, and I don't see how at least one of them hasn't slipped up and at least blown up a city.
And how did Vegeta's Big Bang against 19 not blow up the planet?

Honestly, there is an easy explanation for this. They simply condense their energy.

[TheGmGoken]

My biggest problem with Dragon Ball isn't the logic, it's the fact that a lot of the characters become useless. I often find myself considering Avatar a better show because EVERYONE is useful, even non-benders like Sokka.

even Momo!

But my issue is that even 100x stronger than they were in the Saiyan Arc they can't cause big craters at least. I understand them not blowing up the planet because they can simply condense their power to NOT destroy the planet but a crater or dents in the Earth is kinda needed. I mean even at a fraction of their power. They should be able to cause dents. Hell sometimes the water just stands there like nothing happens. Another issue is how Earth haven't evolve to fighting races like apparently 80% of the universe did.You'll think with all the shit that happen to Earth they would have evolve to a fighting race.

[TheMightyOzaru]

My biggest problem with Dragon Ball isn't the logic, it's the fact that a lot of the characters become useless. I often find myself considering Avatar a better show because EVERYONE is useful, even non-benders like Sokka.

even Momo!

Yup .

[Ajay]

I've always hated that the Dragon Balls instantly became a deus ex machina for near enough every problem in Z. Oh hey, remember that one wish that didn't work with the dragon balls before? Don't worry! WE CHANGED THEM! There's just so many times they've been used as a straight up lazy plot device.

In Dragon Ball, I always felt that they were mostly used as a way to have the events of the tale told. We're searching for Dragon Balls and on the way we encountered this, this and this. That was always fine to me. I didn't mind so much when it was just something as kid-friendly as saving Upa's father but the moment we got to Z and the stakes were made much higher, it just totally defeated any kind of real tension the show could have had since you always had at the back of your mind 'ah, it doesn't matter, we'll just wish whatever goes wrong back to normal'. I get that it's pretty much a staple of the series and something most fans just laugh off and to an extent, I certainly do too but I can't help but think about how things might have turned out differently should they have had far stricter rules.

That's not to say that the show doesn't have tense or epic moments, it certainly does but the extremity of those moments always seemed dampened to me because of the possibility of using the dragon balls over and over.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Yeah, I suppose the Deus Ex Machina Dragon Balls were pretty dumb. Dragon Ball GT fixed that in a way but it's GT .

[RandomGuy96]

Other things I hate: zenkais and the ROSAT.

[TheGmGoken]

I've always hated that the Dragon Balls instantly became a deus ex machinima for near enough every problem in Z. Oh hey, remember that one wish that didn't work with the dragon balls before? Don't worry! WE CHANGED THEM! There's just so many times they've been used as a straight up lazy plot device.

In Dragon Ball, I always felt that they were mostly used as a way to have the events of the tale told. We're searching for Dragon Balls and on the way we encountered this, this and this. That was always fine to me. I didn't mind so much when it was just something as kid-friendly as saving Upa's father but the moment we got to Z and the stakes were made much higher, it just totally defeated any kind of real tension the show could have had since you always had at the back of your mind 'ah, it doesn't matter, we'll just wish whatever goes wrong back to normal'. I get that it's pretty much a staple of the series and something most fans just laugh off and to an extent, I certainly do too but I can't help but think about how things might have turned out differently should they have had far stricter rules.

That's not to say that the show doesn't have tense or epic moments, it certainly does the extremity of those moments always seemed dampened to me because of the possibility of using the dragon balls over and over.

Yeah I love how in the first portion of the manga/ Dragonball the anime the Dragonballs wasn't abused. But in Z it's like Fairy Odd Parents. "I WISH FOR EVERYTHING TO BE BACK TO NORMAL!" http://fairlyoddparents.wikia.com/wiki/Unwish

Other things I hate: zenkais and the ROSAT.

They should have made the ROAST for the humans. Have some type of plot device saying "Only people from this planet can enter". At that time Piccolo was with Kami so in a way it would't work for Piccolo. Goku could just train Gohan the natural way and Humans would be useless. Imagine Cell Jr's vs Humans. Then Goku, Piccolo, Vegeta, Trunks, and Gohan will fight Cell.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I've got no problems with Zenkais and the ROSAT.

[RandomGuy96]

I do. They're lazy bullshit plot devices that were thought up solely to put the saiyans above Piccolo, and negate all of his build-up and reduce him to a jobber for the new ultra-OP bad guy. Then they were used in an even more bullshit way to make Goku ultra powerful to fight the OP bad guy.

Actually, was there ever a reason for why the ROSAT boosted them so much, and why they didn't use it earlier?

[TheGmGoken]

I do. They're lazy bullshit plot devices that were thought up solely to put the saiyans above Piccolo, and negate all of his build-up and reduce him to a jobber for the new ultra-OP bad guy.

Actually, was there ever a reason for why the ROSAT boosted them so much, and why they didn't use it earlier?

Only Goku knew of it. Piccolo didn't know till he fused with Kami. I want to know why ROSAT makes them super strong. We've seen many times the Z fighters train for MORE than 1 year. Let those boast was SHIT compare to ROSAT

[TheMightyOzaru]

It was the sensible way to power scale the story IMO. Zenkai's gave Saiyans something special prior to SSJ, and the ROSAT gave, again, a sensible way to surpass Cell.

[Saiga]

The Saiyans were already above Piccolo when Zenkai were introduced... and I like them. It was a clever way to have Vegeta get stronger when there was no opportunity to train, they were handled rather poorly with Goku but that's more a problem with Goku & Freeza rather than the Zenkai themselves.

RoSaT, I don't have much of a problem with either. The gains were more about gaining the new Super Saiyan grades and mastering the form, they just needed time to do it and the RoSaT was a good way to give them that time.

My biggest problem with Dragon Ball logic is probably Toriyama's logic that Gohan was suited to be the main character. For something in-universe, probably Freeza's strength.

[TheGmGoken]

It was the sensible way to power scale the story IMO. Zenkai's gave Saiyans something special prior to SSJ, and the ROSAT gave, again, a sensible way to surpass Cell.

I don't find it sensible to be honest. The power boast to me was to high. That's why I think it should have been Earth-From People only. Trunks and Gohan could have went together. As it would have created a reverse role as Trunks the teacher and Gohan the student. Then Goku could train Gohan.

[Saiga]

While I don't have any problem with the RoSaT, I like your idea of the RoSaT only working with Earthlings, and having Trunks go in with Gohan.