Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[TheMightyOzaru]

If the creator says the events of BoG take place between Buu and the Budokai within his manga, it's part of the manga. Your argument is invalid. Honestly, it's plain stubborn to say it's non canon after all that's been said about it:

Toei Animation’s Press Release for the upcoming film - July 17, 2012:
“The global phenomenon Dragon Ball is being made into a movie using Toei Animation’s latest technology, consistently realized as a Toriyama work, with the original author Akira Toriyama himself deeply involved from the script stage for the first time."

Toriyama interview:
I tried thinking up an original story, imagining it as though [the manga’s] serialization had continued. What’s more, the God of Destruction Birus, who I drew the design for myself (something I don’t usually do), is a terrifying opponent so overwhelmingly strong that he surpasses the dimension of the previous enemies. But it’s my trademark to not let things get too dark. At the very least, I’m satisfied that it’s been finished up as a very entertaining piece of work.

Toriyama interview:
What are your thoughts on having participated in the movie?
It was fun~! This time, I devoted myself exclusively to creating the story, so I was happy most of all at how it became several times more enjoyable by other people’s hands. In particular, the climactic battle exceeded my expectations by far!!

Toriyama interview:
It’s rare, or rather, it’s the first time, that I’ve been deeply involved with the animation from the scriptwriting stage.
As it had been a while, there was a lot I’d forgotten, but as expected of the creator of the original work, I was soon able to remember the tempo of things, at least.
For this film, while leaving the atmosphere of the original intact, we’ve added just a little bit of modern flavor, so I think it will be an enjoyable piece of entertainment, just like old times!

Toriyama interview:
Q: Why is Kaiō’s planet so small?

A: The fact is, it was destroyed by the God of Destruction!!
It used to be so big that its diameter was about 100 times that of Kai’s current planet. Apart from the size it was completely the same as it is now, with nothing but grassy fields and roads. Kai-sama enjoyed his hobby, driving, but then one day Birusu, the God of Destruction, stopped by and they played a video game together (it was a car racing one). Birusu lost, and so the planet was destroyed by the peeved God of Destruction. Kai then took a large leftover fragment, whittled it down to a sphere, and built a road on it so that he could have fun driving there. This became Kai’s current planet.

I heard that this is the first time you’ve been deeply involved with the script of a movie; please tell us the reason.
The catalyst was that, first of all, when the script originally came to me, there was a lot of the sort of dialogue that only the creator would know, so I thought, “that bothers me”, and then this and that also started to get on my mind, and so rather than telling them to revise each individual thing, I thought it might be faster if I just wrote the script myself.

[Kamiccolo9]

While I count it as part of my personal canon, nothing there absolutely states that it has to be accepted. I see it as similar to the Dragonball Online situation; Toryama had input, helped out, and even came up with ideas, but it's not a purely Toryama work.
As for Kaio's planet, that just means he's added Beers to the god hierarchy of the manga. Not that the events of the movie are canon.

[Rocketman]

I'm desperately scanning Volume 42 and...I just can't find it! Where is it?!

[Saiga]

If the creator says the events of BoG take place between Buu and the Budokai within his manga, it's part of the manga. Your argument is invalid. Honestly, it's plain stubborn to say it's non canon after all that's been said about it:

That's your belief. It's not a fact, only an opinion, so stop acting like it is. And the movie is not literally, read this carefully, LITERALLY part of the manga.

Stop acting like your way is the only one.

Rocketman Shit! You must have a misprint, what a shame.

[TheGmGoken]

Interpretation because he never said "this is part of the manga" I don't remember the original quote but it wasn't that, so you saying he said that is the interpretation.

And no, there are more definitions of canon than that (even ignoring all the religious/musical ones). For example, "a descriptor of specific incidents, relationships, or story arcs that take place within the overall canon" taken from Wikipedia (who in turn got it from a literary paper).

And no, accepting the manga as canon means accepting the manga as canon. BoG is a movie, it is not the manga. "The manga" refers to the fucking manga. It's not talking about manga continuity or any of that, I mean the literal manga.

For this film, while leaving the atmosphere of the original intact, we’ve added just a little bit of modern flavor, so I think it will be an enjoyable piece of entertainment, just like old times! , I tried thinking up an original story, imagining it as though [the manga's] serialization had continued. The fact is, I thought, “Man, I really made everyone old in the last chapter of the manga”. I even gave Vegeta a mustache (laughs). So, I chose this period because everyone had got to maximum strength. A few years after the “Majin Buu arc”, and before Pan’s birth. When I decided, “For this movie, let’s go with the whole cast!” I thought, “What era would be best?” If it’s a few years after the “Majin Buu arc”, then almost all the cast members are at MAX strength…. And also, you know, in the final chapter, where Uub appears, I made [characters like] Bulma and Kuririn pretty old, so honestly, I thought, “Maaaybe it’s a biiit difficult” [to make the time period any later]. (laughs)I thought it might be faster if I just wrote the script myself.

Apparently, it’s been 17 whole years since the last animated Dragon Ball movie! To be able to have a new work made after so many years and months have passed, I have to thank all the people who have given their support. For all the animation up to now, I’ve basically just left everything up [to the staff], so this is my first try at being involved starting from the story’s creation. At any rate, it was quite a long time ago that I drew Dragon Ball, so I had to start by working to remember it. I pulled out the comics [i.e., the tankōbon] of my own work, which it’s fair to say I never look at; and as I flipped through it, even though I’ve gotten older, as you’d expect of the original creator, I was quickly able to recapture the feeling from back then. The keywords this time, “God of Destruction Beerus” and “Super Saiyan God”, were suggestions from the scriptwriter, but they were good ideas for presenting a crisis for the main characters, who had grown so strong that they’d reached a point where there was nothing higher. I borrowed these ideas, and after first deciding on Beerus’ character design and background, I tried thinking up an original story, imagining it as though [the manga's] serialization had continued. The God of Destruction Beerus, who I drew the design for myself (something I don’t usually do), is a terrifying opponent so overwhelmingly strong that he surpasses the dimension of the previous enemies. But it’s my trademark to not let things get too dark. At the very least, I’m satisfied that it’s been finished up as a very entertaining piece of work.

Lets not forget he talks like it's apart of the manga.

[Kamiccolo9]

For this film, while leaving the atmosphere of the original intact, we’ve added just a little bit of modern flavor, so I think it will be an enjoyable piece of entertainment, just like old times! , I tried thinking up an original story, imagining it as though [the manga's] serialization had continued. The fact is, I thought, “Man, I really made everyone old in the last chapter of the manga”. I even gave Vegeta a mustache (laughs). So, I chose this period because everyone had got to maximum strength. A few years after the “Majin Buu arc”, and before Pan’s birth. When I decided, “For this movie, let’s go with the whole cast!” I thought, “What era would be best?” If it’s a few years after the “Majin Buu arc”, then almost all the cast members are at MAX strength…. And also, you know, in the final chapter, where Uub appears, I made [characters like] Bulma and Kuririn pretty old, so honestly, I thought, “Maaaybe it’s a biiit difficult” [to make the time period any later]. (laughs)I thought it might be faster if I just wrote the script myself.

Apparently, it’s been 17 whole years since the last animated Dragon Ball movie! To be able to have a new work made after so many years and months have passed, I have to thank all the people who have given their support. For all the animation up to now, I’ve basically just left everything up [to the staff], so this is my first try at being involved starting from the story’s creation. At any rate, it was quite a long time ago that I drew Dragon Ball, so I had to start by working to remember it. I pulled out the comics [i.e., the tankōbon] of my own work, which it’s fair to say I never look at; and as I flipped through it, even though I’ve gotten older, as you’d expect of the original creator, I was quickly able to recapture the feeling from back then. The keywords this time, “God of Destruction Beerus” and “Super Saiyan God”, were suggestions from the scriptwriter, but they were good ideas for presenting a crisis for the main characters, who had grown so strong that they’d reached a point where there was nothing higher. I borrowed these ideas, and after first deciding on Beerus’ character design and background, I tried thinking up an original story, imagining it as though [the manga's] serialization had continued. The God of Destruction Beerus, who I drew the design for myself (something I don’t usually do), is a terrifying opponent so overwhelmingly strong that he surpasses the dimension of the previous enemies. But it’s my trademark to not let things get too dark. At the very least, I’m satisfied that it’s been finished up as a very entertaining piece of work.

He said he continued it as if it was another chapter of the manga. Not once did he say that it was another chapter.
And Vegeta never had a mustache in the manga. Not sure what he's talking about there.

[Saiga]

"Tried to imagine as if the serialization continued" does not automatically equate to "this is part of the manga". Saying that's what his words mean is where you've added your interpretation.

@Kamiccolo He did do the initial GT Vegeta character art, so he just misremembered.

[TheGmGoken]

For this film, while leaving the atmosphere of the original intact, we’ve added just a little bit of modern flavor, so I think it will be an enjoyable piece of entertainment, just like old times! , I tried thinking up an original story, imagining it as though [the manga's] serialization had continued. The fact is, I thought, “Man, I really made everyone old in the last chapter of the manga”. I even gave Vegeta a mustache (laughs). So, I chose this period because everyone had got to maximum strength. A few years after the “Majin Buu arc”, and before Pan’s birth. When I decided, “For this movie, let’s go with the whole cast!” I thought, “What era would be best?” If it’s a few years after the “Majin Buu arc”, then almost all the cast members are at MAX strength…. And also, you know, in the final chapter, where Uub appears, I made [characters like] Bulma and Kuririn pretty old, so honestly, I thought, “Maaaybe it’s a biiit difficult” [to make the time period any later]. (laughs)I thought it might be faster if I just wrote the script myself.

Apparently, it’s been 17 whole years since the last animated Dragon Ball movie! To be able to have a new work made after so many years and months have passed, I have to thank all the people who have given their support. For all the animation up to now, I’ve basically just left everything up [to the staff], so this is my first try at being involved starting from the story’s creation. At any rate, it was quite a long time ago that I drew Dragon Ball, so I had to start by working to remember it. I pulled out the comics [i.e., the tankōbon] of my own work, which it’s fair to say I never look at; and as I flipped through it, even though I’ve gotten older, as you’d expect of the original creator, I was quickly able to recapture the feeling from back then. The keywords this time, “God of Destruction Beerus” and “Super Saiyan God”, were suggestions from the scriptwriter, but they were good ideas for presenting a crisis for the main characters, who had grown so strong that they’d reached a point where there was nothing higher. I borrowed these ideas, and after first deciding on Beerus’ character design and background, I tried thinking up an original story, imagining it as though [the manga's] serialization had continued. The God of Destruction Beerus, who I drew the design for myself (something I don’t usually do), is a terrifying opponent so overwhelmingly strong that he surpasses the dimension of the previous enemies. But it’s my trademark to not let things get too dark. At the very least, I’m satisfied that it’s been finished up as a very entertaining piece of work.

He said he continued it as if it was another chapter of the manga. Not once did he say that it was another chapter.
And Vegeta never had a mustache in the manga. Not sure what he's talking about there.

Remember Akira forgot a lot of things. He apparently mix the 1st ep of DBGT with the last chapter.

Tried to imagine as if the serialization continued" does not automatically equate to "this is part of the manga". Saying that's what his words mean is where you've added your interpretation.

wow I didn't read that part. I wasn't using that as my example lol. I was using other things he said.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I'm desperately scanning Volume 42 and...I just can't find it! Where is it?!

Well sarcasm aside, It doesn't have to be. Seriously you guys would find a way to disregard it if there was an actual manga version that said "this is canon -Akira Toriyama" written on it . Seriously as much shit as you give it, I find it hard to believe you don't disregard it simply because you don't like it.

[RandomGuy96]

No one is forced to accept this is as canon because there is no canon!

[TheMightyOzaru]

No one is forced to accept this is as canon because there is no canon!

There is one but it's just undefined.

[Saiga]

I'm desperately scanning Volume 42 and...I just can't find it! Where is it?!

Well sarcasm aside, It doesn't have to be. Seriously you guys would find a way to disregard it if there was an actual manga version that said "this is canon -Akira Toriyama" written on it . Seriously as much shit as you give it, I find it hard to believe you don't disregard it simply because you don't like it.

Maybe you should stop making accusations about people who have said otherwise? I already didn't consider it canon when I was looking forward to it, because I don't base my definition of canon on what I like and dislike. That's what I base what I like and dislike on.

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm desperately scanning Volume 42 and...I just can't find it! Where is it?!

Well sarcasm aside, It doesn't have to be. Seriously you guys would find a way to disregard it if there was an actual manga version that said "this is canon -Akira Toriyama" written on it . Seriously as much shit as you give it, I find it hard to believe you don't disregard it simply because you don't like it.

I already said that I counted it, but I can understand why others wouldn't. No one has to.

"Tried to imagine as if the serialization continued" does not automatically equate to "this is part of the manga". Saying that's what his words mean is where you've added your interpretation.

@Kamiccolo He did do the initial GT Vegeta character art, so he just misremembered.

Ah ok. That's understandable. The awesomeness of mustached Vegeta could never be contained by mere paper.

[TheGmGoken]

I'm desperately scanning Volume 42 and...I just can't find it! Where is it?!

Well sarcasm aside, It doesn't have to be. Seriously you guys would find a way to disregard it if there was an actual manga version that said "this is canon -Akira Toriyama" written on it . Seriously as much shit as you give it, I find it hard to believe you don't disregard it simply because you don't like it.

Maybe you should stop making accusations about people who have said otherwise? I already didn't consider it canon when I was looking forward to it, because I don't base my definition of canon on what I like and dislike. That's what I base what I like and dislike on.

Okay you know fuck it. I'm done. Drop conversation.

Vegetto's raging is out of character! New coversation

[TheMightyOzaru]

I'm desperately scanning Volume 42 and...I just can't find it! Where is it?!

Well sarcasm aside, It doesn't have to be. Seriously you guys would find a way to disregard it if there was an actual manga version that said "this is canon -Akira Toriyama" written on it . Seriously as much shit as you give it, I find it hard to believe you don't disregard it simply because you don't like it.

Maybe you should stop making accusations about people who have said otherwise? I already didn't consider it canon when I was looking forward to it, because I don't base my definition of canon on what I like and dislike. That's what I base what I like and dislike on.

And you don't think it's canon because...? Just because it doesn't have pages, it's non canon? Akira was heavily involved, he designed the characters, he rewrote the story as if it were a continuation of the manga, etc. What else do you want?

[Saiga]

And you don't think it's canon because...? Just because it doesn't have pages, it's non canon? Akira was heavily involved, he designed the characters, he rewrote the story as if it were a continuation of the manga, etc. What else do you want?

It's not about it being on pages or on film, I don't consider the EoB manga version to be canon for instance, it's about being part of the original manga's run. If it's not part of that, it's not canon.

[TheGmGoken]

And you don't think it's canon because...? Just because it doesn't have pages, it's non canon? Akira was heavily involved, he designed the characters, he rewrote the story as if it were a continuation of the manga, etc. What else do you want?

It's not about it being on pages or on film, I don't consider the EoB manga version to be canon for instance, it's about being part of the original manga's run. If it's not part of that, it's not canon.

SO the Kanzenban(I think that's the name of it) manga ending is non canon?

[Saiga]

I'm unsure how to regard that, to be honest. Maybe I shouldn't have said the original manga's run (especially because I don't know of any possible difference between the WJ version and the Tankobon version) but the original manga product. Again, I don't know what to think of the Kanzenban, but it could be seen as still being the original manga, but updated.

[TheGmGoken]

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=23996 bring canon discussion here please.

[TheMightyOzaru]

And you don't think it's canon because...? Just because it doesn't have pages, it's non canon? Akira was heavily involved, he designed the characters, he rewrote the story as if it were a continuation of the manga, etc. What else do you want?

It's not about it being on pages or on film, I don't consider the EoB manga version to be canon for instance, it's about being part of the original manga's run. If it's not part of that, it's not canon.

What if Toriyama added to said Manga run? It's his manga, what he says goes. The Kanzenban manga is also more accurate since the original tankobon said Vegeta's BP was closer to 20,000 when he fought Recoome.